# What will the UK do wrt Brexit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 18, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799 "2019-02-18T22:39:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/381 "2019-03-14T17:57:27Z")
The interesting amendment will be Bryant. This will effectively prevent May from bringing back her zombie withdrawal agreement yet again. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/382 "2019-03-14T17:59:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Damn it, I have to ask again… what exactly is going on? Is there movement towards or away from an extension and a possible new referendum? Too early to tell yet. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/383 "2019-03-14T18:08:54Z")
Ayes - 302 Noes - 318 Labour fails and Bryant is not moved. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/384 "2019-03-14T18:13:32Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Here you go:’ > > … > > Sortable by name, party etc That’s great, thanks! So, nine conservatives vote to add the Spelman amendment to the motion, including Spelman herself who had turned against it and seen it tabled against her objections. Then seventeen conservatives voted to pass the motion with the amendment, but Spelman isn’t listed under Ayes or Noes, so she abstained? You said yesterday that only Sarah Newton had voted against the whip. I do see that she has resigned over it. She’s one of the seventeen, but not one of the nine. What did she do differently from the others? ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/385 "2019-03-14T18:15:38Z")
The Bryant amendment wasn’t moved. “Not necessary.” This may be because Bercow now feels he can block May’s WA from coming back without it. There is ample precedent, anyway. If it failed to pass, Bercow might have found it difficult to block the WA again. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/386 "2019-03-14T18:19:30Z")
Ah, ok. I missed the rationale. Makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/387 "2019-03-14T18:22:13Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > What did she do differently from the others? IIRC she was the only govt payroll MP to vote against the whip? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/388 "2019-03-14T18:25:18Z")
Ayes - 412 Noes - 202 Motion passed ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/389 "2019-03-14T18:28:07Z")
So does that mean that UK is officially requesting an extension? How soon for the EU to respond? ---
**Author:** ![robardin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@robardin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robardin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/390 "2019-03-14T18:28:17Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Those responsible for amending the amendment have been amended. Mynd you, ämëndments kan be pretti nasti… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/391 "2019-03-14T18:31:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So does that mean that UK is officially requesting an extension? How soon for the EU to respond? My understanding is yes, May will now go to the EU and request an extension until the end of June. Not sure when the EU needs to respond. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/392 "2019-03-14T18:35:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So does that mean that UK is officially requesting an extension? How soon for the EU to respond? There is a European Council meeting on March 21. It will probably be considered then. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/393 "2019-03-14T18:45:40Z")
Did Labour’s abstention protect the idea of a second ref or is that dead now? ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/394 "2019-03-14T18:49:59Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Did Labour’s abstention protect the idea of a second ref or is that dead now? It’s very much alive, and will hopefully be debated and voted on next week. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/395 "2019-03-14T18:51:04Z")
Meaningful Vote 3 next week then. Can we be so sure which way that will go? My inkling is that is still fails…just. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/396 "2019-03-14T19:06:22Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Meaningful Vote 3 next week then. Can we be so sure which way that will go? My inkling is that is still fails…just. I doubt it. Bercow has ample precedent going back centuries to block it from coming back again. A bill which has once been rejected can’t be considered again in the same session of parliament - at least without significant modification. When asked yesterday Bercow said, _“There are historical precedents for the way in such matters are regarded. I do not need to treat of them now and no ruling is required now. … A ruling would be made about that matter at the appropriate time …”_ There seemed to be a cheerful and knowing look between Bercow and Bryant when Bryant withdrew his amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/397 "2019-03-14T19:08:36Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > It’s very much alive, and will hopefully be debated and voted on next week. Ok, I thought I heard a point of order? where someone suggested that just as it would be incorrect to revote on a previously failed motion, it would be incorrect to revote on a second ref. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/398 "2019-03-14T19:22:04Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Ok, I thought I heard a point of order? where someone suggested that just as it would be incorrect to revote on a previously failed motion, it would be incorrect to revote on a second ref. Yes, but that statement was made by a rabid Brexiteer, and it was plain wrong. 🙂 If I remember correctly, nobody even bothered to respond. It didn’t even merit an answer. The vote on the amendment certainly doesn’t prevent voting on a second referendum as a main motion. If fact, the whole reason that Labour didn’t back the amendment was so that a) it wouldn’t muddy the waters of an extension to A50, and b) it wouldn’t undermine a proper debate and vote on a second referendum. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/399 "2019-03-14T19:26:46Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > I doubt it. Bercow has ample precedent going back centuries to block it from coming back again. A bill which has once been rejected can’t be considered again in the same session of parliament - at least without significant modification. > > When asked yesterday Bercow said, _“There are historical precedents for the way in such matters are regarded. I do not need to treat of them now and no ruling is required now. … A ruling would be made about that matter at the appropriate time …”_ > > There seemed to be a cheerful and knowing look between Bercow and Bryant when Bryant withdrew his amendment. Jesus. Bercow would be right to do so but imagine the outrage. Isn’t he retiring later this year too? ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/400 "2019-03-14T21:22:50Z")
> [@robardin](#): > > Mynd you, ämëndments kan be pretti nasti… An ämëndment once bit my sister… No realli! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799.md?page=21)