# What will the UK do wrt Brexit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 18, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799 "2019-02-18T22:39:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/761 "2019-04-01T00:30:40Z")
Which is probably why the EU set April 12 as the deadline. That’s probably the latest date that they could re-jig the nominations for the May elections, if the UK asks for a longer extension and to stay in past the elections. Will still be a pig’s ear to get it all fixed in time for the May elections, but I assume that’s the reason for that deadline. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/762 "2019-04-01T01:47:35Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Which is probably why the EU set April 12 as the deadline. That’s probably the latest date that they could re-jig the nominations for the May elections, if the UK asks for a longer extension and to stay in past the elections. > > Will still be a pig’s ear to get it all fixed in time for the May elections, but I assume that’s the reason for that deadline. This, exactly. There will be a European Council on 10 April at which the UK will make a pitch for any extension of the Art 50 notice period beyond 12 April which they wish to seek. If the Council is minded to agree to an extension (this is not a shoe-in; it depends on how long the extension is to be and what the additional time is to be used for) then the deal will that on 11 April the UK takes the legal steps to put in train the process of participating in the Parliament elections, so that that will already have been done when the extension is formally granted on 12 April. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/763 "2019-04-01T02:32:13Z")
Are EU Elections list-based PR? That would presumably be easier to update for a reallocation than individual constituencies. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/764 "2019-04-01T03:20:08Z")
The elections are based on proportion representation, but countries are free to choice a list system or STV. Also some countries (including the UK) are divided into a multiple member constituencies instead of the whole country being one constituency. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/765 "2019-04-01T04:17:33Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The elections are based on proportion representation, but countries are free to choice a list system or STV. Also some countries (including the UK) are divided into a multiple member constituencies instead of the whole country being one constituency. And the UK uses a party-list system in constituencies in Great Britain, and the single transferrable vote in Northern Ireland (which is a single constituency returning 3 members). ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/766 "2019-04-01T07:37:11Z")
Fight my ignorance. What would membership of the EU’s customs union mean for trade in services? Given that services is the one part of the economy that the UK excels in, that seems quite important. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/767 "2019-04-01T08:11:37Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > Fight my ignorance. What would membership of the EU’s customs union mean for trade in services? Given that services is the one part of the economy that the UK excels in, that seems quite important. Not a lot. The main feature of a customs union is that it elminates tariffs on intra-union trade, but services tend not to attract tariffs in the first place, so a customs union doesn’t do much to improve things. Trade in services is subject to non-tariff barriers. If I have a banking licence in country A, that doesn’t authorise me to take deposits or make loans in country B. My licence to practice law in country A is no use in country B. And so forth. A customs union generally does little or nothing to eliminate barriers of this kind. What trade in services requires is regulatory alignment (so that a service provider who has the skills, competence, liability insurance, etc required in country A will also have the skills, competence, insurance required in country B), reciprocal recognition of regulatory regimes or the acts and decisions of of regulators, common standards, that kind of thiing. Free trade in services also requires a high degree of mobility of labour, so if an accountant in country A gets the contract to audit the accounts of a company in country B, he will be free actually to go to country B to provide the service contracted for. All of this is the province of the Single Market. So what those in the UK who trade in services would _really_ like is for the UK to remain a member of the Single Market. Remaining in the Customs Union offers them limited benefits. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/768 "2019-04-01T12:35:03Z")
The single market in services is not as well established as those in the other freedoms. It’s one of the things the UK was always pushing for. “_While the single market for goods is well-developed, the services market is still widely recognised as not having achieved its full potential. The Services Directive should have increased transparency and made it easier for businesses and consumers to buy and sell. But some years after the deadline for implementation, barriers still remain._” [European Court of Auditors report, 2016 (PDF)](https://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECADocuments/INSR16_05/INSR_SERVICES_EN.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/769 "2019-04-01T16:05:22Z")
Here we go again. The House is now considering a winnowed-down indicative vote list. Voting after 9pm GMT, it looks like Here’s the options the Speaker has selected Motion C: Customs union - Proposer: Ken Clarke, Conservative Motion D: ‘Common Market 2.0’ - Proposer: Nick Boles, Conservative Motion E: Confirmatory public vote - Proposers: Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, Labour Motion G: Parliamentary supremacy - Proposer: Joanna Cherry, Scottish National Party Motion D is the interesting one. In a change to the first vote, Labour and SNP are now whipping for this option, giving it a real chance. If I find a handy summary of the detail of these options, I’ll post it. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/770 "2019-04-01T16:42:58Z")
There’s a naked protest in the public gallery. The House stoically continues the debate, with only a \*few \* wry references to “the bottom line”, “the naked truth” and “cheeky intervention”. ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/771 "2019-04-01T16:44:29Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > So what those in the UK who trade in services would _really_ like is for the UK to remain a member of the Single Market. Remaining in the Customs Union offers them limited benefits. Thanks. So the Labour proposal for membership of the (or a?) custom union is actually a long way short of BRINO? That is, we lose our democratic representation in the European Parliament, lose our political influence in the other institutions, and we lose our access to the market in services. And all so that instead of having Romanian and Bulgarian seasonal workers temporarily resident to pick vegetables, we have African and Asian seasonal workers permanently resident? Could someone remind me why we’re leaving again… 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/772 "2019-04-01T16:47:43Z")
The Chief Political Correspondent of The Guardian tweets: > [@](#): > > Tweeted by \*\*Jessica Elgot \*\* > Protesters are pressing their bare buttocks against the glass in the public gallery. Speaker letting debate continue as normal. It’s climate change protesters apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/773 "2019-04-01T18:21:03Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > The Chief Political Correspondent of The Guardian tweets: > > It’s climate change protesters apparently. They must figure that Parliament has already established the precedent for showing their asses in public… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/774 "2019-04-01T19:43:47Z")
I haven’t seen a British exit this embarrassing since Hugh Grant was told to step out of the car, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/775 "2019-04-01T21:01:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I haven’t seen a British exit this embarrassing since Hugh Grant was told to step out of the car, sir. Did you expect them to take a French leave ? Think, man, **think**. ---
**Author:** ![polar\_bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@polar\_bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/polar_bear)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/776 "2019-04-01T21:09:22Z")
All presented options have been rejected. Again. Verstuurd vanaf mijn moto g(6) met Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/777 "2019-04-01T21:10:58Z")
Three of the four came close though. The customs union one was three votes short. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/778 "2019-04-01T21:53:54Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > The Chief Political Correspondent of The Guardian tweets: > > It’s climate change protesters apparently. One curious connection that Brexit had (has) with climate change deniers: > **[Hard-Brexit Lobbyists Demand UK Roll-Back Environmental Standards to Strike...](https://www.desmog.com/2018/09/24/hard-brexit-lobbyists-demand-uk-roll-back-environmental-standards-strike-free-trade-deals-us-china-and-india/)** > > Hardline Brexiters are calling on the UK government to cut EU environmental regulations to secure free-trade deals with the US, China and India after Brexit. Environmental NGOs said the plans were not credible if the UK was to fulfil its own... > [@](#): > > Hardline Brexiters are calling on the UK government to cut EU environmental regulations to secure free-trade deals with the US, China and India after Brexit. Environmental NGOs said the plans were not credible if the UK was to fulfil its own environmental commitments, warning that the Brexit vote was not a mandate to lower standards. > > The alternative Brexit plan, which is backed by former Brexit secretary David Davis and former foreign secretary Boris Johnson and was published today by the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), claims that if the UK continues to strengthen its regulatory environment, it will lead to “wealth destruction” and will “push people into poverty”. > > The report slams the EU as saddling the UK with regulations that are “damaging to growth” and singles out environmental protection rules as one of the areas where EU regulation is “moving in an anti-competitive direction”. > > It argues that if the UK harmonises its regulatory environment with the EU’s after Brexit, it would make independent trade deals with countries such as the US, China and India impossible. > > The plan was produced by Shanker Singham, director of international trade and competition unit at the IEA. A former lobbyist in the US, Singham is now one of the most powerful people pushing for a hard Brexit inside Westminster. > [@](#): > > The IEA made headlines earlier this summer after an undercover investigation by Greenpeace’s investigation unit Unearthed and the Guardian suggested the think tank was involved in a “cash for access” system and offered potential US donors with agri-business interests access to UK ministers. > > Undercover recordings showed IEA director Littlewood claiming that Singham and his team speak with environment minister Michael Gove “every three or four days, along with David Davis, Boris Johnson, Liam Fox”. The IEA denied the allegation. > > Singham joined the IEA in March this year after having worked for the Legatum Institute notoriously dubbed the “Brexiters favourite think tank”. > > The IEA is also one of 11 libertarian trans-Atlantic organisations lobbying for Brexit and spreading disinformation about climate change involved in shadow trade talks in Washington and London to “hash out an ‘ideal’ US-UK free trade agreement”. > > The plan, which is led by Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan who runs the Initiative for Free Trade (IFT), aims to create a “blueprint” for future negotiations between the British and US governments. The point being here that while those protesters are complaining about mostly inaction from the British government regarding climate change, those protesters must be aware also about the powerful interests that also funded the yes Brexit vote and those interests would like to see a hard Brexit so as to make it easier to ignore new European plans to deal with the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/779 "2019-04-01T23:06:57Z")
Fucking useless arseholes. No Deal is more likely now. Nick Boles quits the Tories in disgust Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799/780 "2019-04-01T23:13:26Z")
Seems like the chances of a united Ireland are skyrocketing. As are the chances of an independent Scotland. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-uk-do-wrt-brexit/829799.md?page=40)