# What Worthy Females Does Steve Miller Think Are Unfairly Out of Rock Hall of Fame? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 3, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422 "2016-06-03T20:26:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/21 "2016-06-04T01:03:07Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > If you put Whitney Houston in, then yeah you’re damn sure gonna get an argument about what “rock” is. Put her in and you might as well rename the thing “music hof” I think they already crossed that line with Mahalia Jackson, and Billie Holiday, and Bessie Smith, and Etta James. And Johnny Cash! Others for consideration: Roberta Flack Yvonne Elliman Wendy O Williams ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/22 "2016-06-04T01:48:06Z")
Charline Arthur Francoise Hardy ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/23 "2016-06-04T01:49:38Z")
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is the biggest joke this side of the 2016 Republican Presidential primary candidate field. Cheep Trick and Grand Master Flash are in, Moody Blues and Yes are not? One hit wonder, Joan Jett; and the Staples Singers are in. But Joan Baez and Carly Simon are not? Another worthy woman, if only for having the best rock female voice of all time would be Annie Haslam of Renaissance. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/24 "2016-06-04T02:39:44Z")
Joni Mitchell was a Rock musician? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/25 "2016-06-04T03:50:55Z")
In the “Completely Deserves Inclusion But Will Never Even Be Included In The Conversation” category, Ani DiFranco. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/26 "2016-06-04T06:11:51Z")
Maybelle Carter. She gets her due from the country end of the spectrum, but she deserves recognition for being crucial to the development of rock music too. Folk music was just as important to the genesis of rock music as the blues. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/27 "2016-06-04T07:10:23Z")
Suzi Quatro ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/28 "2016-06-04T07:18:03Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Maybelle Carter. > > She gets her due from the country end of the spectrum, but she deserves recognition for being crucial to the development of rock music too. Folk music was just as important to the genesis of rock music as the blues. Okay, I figure country from Nashville and blues from the delta met up in Memphis/Jackson to become Rockabilly ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/29 "2016-06-04T07:41:14Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Okay, I figure country from Nashville and blues from the delta met up in Memphis/Jackson to become Rockabilly The Carter Family were proto-country. Country, like rock, didn’t exist until much later. The Carter Family were _folk_, and folk music led to the [folk revival](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_folk_music_revival), which was where people like Bob Dylan and Joan Baez came from, along with the Byrds and all those West Coast psychedelic bands. Folk music is kind of written out of the history of rock because people seem to prefer the the idea that rock music was simply white people copying black music. The truth is a lot more complicated, with American blacks and whites musically influencing each other back and forth for generations before distinctly American forms like jazz and blues and bluegrass started emerging. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/30 "2016-06-04T10:22:50Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > The Carter Family were proto-country. Country, like rock, didn’t exist until much later. The Carter Family were _folk_, and folk music led to the [folk revival](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_folk_music_revival), which was where people like Bob Dylan and Joan Baez came from, along with the Byrds and all those West Coast psychedelic bands. > > Folk music is kind of written out of the history of rock because people seem to prefer the the idea that rock music was simply white people copying black music. The truth is a lot more complicated, with American blacks and whites musically influencing each other back and forth for generations before distinctly American forms like jazz and blues and bluegrass started emerging. Spoken like a true Australian! 😉 Seriously, America has a pretty distorted lens, or set of lenses, when it comes to viewing this stuff. If any aspect of the U.S. can truly be described as a melting pot, it’s our music. **Joan Jett** is much more than a one hit wonder. **Memphis Minnie** - oh hell yeah. And **Francoise Hardy** carbonates my hormones. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/31 "2016-06-04T10:42:14Z")
Tori Amos Hell, Alanis Morrisette qualifies this year. 25 years since the release of her first album came out in 1991. Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth? ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/32 "2016-06-04T14:04:44Z")
Isn’t everybody in the Rock HoF? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/33 "2016-06-04T14:35:19Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > Isn’t everybody in the Rock HoF? I understand that Gustav Mahler is in consideration this year, because he used to yell “Turn it UP…play fuckin’ LOUD!!!” at the Vienna Philharmonic. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/34 "2016-06-04T14:43:44Z")
“This viola goes up to eleven.” ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/35 "2016-06-04T15:16:56Z")
I can’t believe Joan Jett and her one hit wonder cover version is in, and these are not Chrissy Hind [Pretenders - Precious - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6-0ypKuwv8) Big Mama Thornton - if you don’t know who she is look her up. I find it utterly incredible that she isn’t on this list, being as the played a major part in the emergence of rock n roll [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7smfs_B1U) Sylvia Robinson, she may have had more influence on current music than anyone still alive, I doubt the rock n roll hall lot would appreciate it though - some of you might even know why Connie Francis - probably not know for rock and roll, but she did a few well known numbers. [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnqFkhSOvXc) [Connie Francis – “I’m Gonna Be Warm This Winter” [US 45] (MGM) 1962 - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPDzohv_VVo) - you might know the Gabriel Cilmi version Terri Nunn of Berlin, you’d think she would be in there - given some of the other names Grace Jones - If you are gonna include Donna Summer then surely Grace would be listed - lets face neither of them would be considered to be rock - equally you would not list one above the other Sister Rosetta Tharpe - No-one can ignore her contribution to rock [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9bX5mzdihs) Annie Lennox - A little surprised she isn’t included Joan Armatrading [Joan Armatrading Drop The Pilot - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoCWUNUB3ro) ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/36 "2016-06-04T16:06:38Z")
Ehh, curing the sexism inherent in the system isn’t going to do much toward fixing the RRHoF. It’s problems run deep. I blame the parents. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/37 "2016-06-06T17:15:04Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > I can’t believe Joan Jett and her one hit wonder cover version is in, and these are not > > Chrissy Hind Hate to break up a well sourced rant, but The Pretenders are in the class of 2005. And Joan Jett is NOT a one-hit wonder. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/38 "2016-06-06T17:33:05Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > If you put Whitney Houston in, then yeah you’re damn sure gonna get an argument about what “rock” is. Put her in and you might as well rename the thing “music hof” This argument is already over. Madonna is in, as are Donna Summer (and James Taylor, already mentioned.) Lots of rap artists are inducted. It was decided many years ago that “rock and roll” included “and the forms of popular music it has inspired.” That is the standard. I am gobsmacked Annie Lennox isn’t in. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/39 "2016-06-06T18:51:50Z")
I’m 55 and there are no women of my generation in there (yet); Madonna comes the closest, I suppose. I’d like to see Natalie Merchant, Liz Phair and Michelle Shocked considered. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422/40 "2016-06-06T19:32:55Z")
Yeah, seriously, how the fuck is Annie Lennox not in there? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-worthy-females-does-steve-miller-think-are-unfairly-out-of-rock-hall-of-fame/756422.md?page=3)