What would a time traveler have to do to convince you he's really one?

The OP indicates he’s not a scientist or engineer, so he cannot provide the knowledge on how to “do” time travel.
So his presence (if he truly is from the future):

  1. Let’s us know that eventually time travel will be possible
  2. Can only lead to one of a couple possibilities:
  • he has no effect on how the future unfolds, he’s benign
    or
  • he somehow mucks up the future in such a way that a LOT changes, and things don’t unfold to the future that he knows (including having solved time travel).
    or
  • he affects how the future unfolds so that not only is time travel discovered, but things are better (the “Marty McFly” scenario)

It’s the 2nd possibility the poses the danger. It’s why Skynet sends the Terminators back in time, and why Edith Keeler had to die in the car accident.

If he truly is from the future then he would recognize that he can change how the future unfolds (and not even be aware of it).

A linguist might be able to do something with his slang. Real speech has real patterns to it, that are hard to fake from scratch. But alas, I am not a linguist.

Even if he’s not an engineer, though, I assume he has a high-school education. I’d ask him for names of great geniuses, and what they were famous for. He’d probably get a lot garbled, of course, but there’s a difference between real scientific ideas that get garbled and random technobabble, and I’ve gotten pretty good at recognizing it.

A historian could probably do something similar for history as he knows it, though that might not be as effective, since lots of layfolks know history well enough to fake it.

Showing me his/her time machine would be a good start. I’d also like to take it for a test drive myself.

With words alone, probably not gonna happen.

How does shooting you show that he’s a liar?

How does shooting you show that he’s a liar?

I think a genetic analysis along with a detailed analysis of his body (minimally invasive of course) would be the only way for him to be convincing. And of course 100 years from now even that might not really be convincing, but we wouldn’t know that. :slight_smile:

Regardless, I would sit him down and have him tell us everything he can remember about his past and our future. Along with inventions/ideas that are common knowledge then. If he is a fake, it might make a good book. If he is for real, it would be hugely informative for the future. I will accept Einstein’s description of space-time and not worry about paradoxes and such silliness.

If somebody has many distant relatives but few close ones in a genetic analysis, wouldn’t a more sensible hypothesis be that his several dozen close relatives didn’t happen to take the initiative to do the tests? You don’t have to invoke time travel and blow away the principle of causality to explain low match count on Ancestry.com.

Yeah, this was my first thought too.
Even if he’s not a scientist or engineer, there will be some topics like dark matter or consciousness, say, that would have been part of his high school education, and even the vague memory of a couple of bullet points from that education could be very novel and useful.


As a separate point (nothing to do with Chronos’ post), there are different things that we can mean by “convinced” here, so different people are answering different questions I think.

Feeling in my “gut” that this guy is really from the future, and feeling excited by the possibilities, is a relatively low bar for me. At that level, I still might not be so convinced that I’d be prepared to convene a press conference, say.
OTOH if we say what would it take to be 100% convinced, well, I’ll never get there.

So as much as it sounds like fighting the OP, I think it’s somewhat arbitrary where we draw the line of “convinced”.

Certainly, I wouldn’t rely on casual genetic testing to provide proof (or even strong evidence) - but it would be physically possible for an agency that really wanted to prove or disprove this guy’s story about being a time traveler to do enough genetic tests to either find a close relative or establish that one doesn’t exist.

That wouldn’t work because it would change the time stream from that point on, so you would have grown up knowing from history books that Hitler was assassinated in 19-something-or-other.

It’s just this easy. Prove it. Show me.

Killing me would alter the timeline. If he truly came from the future I would think he’d avoid changing things.

How do you know this. He may come from a future in which you were killed by a time-traveler. Perhaps he’s merely fulfilling destiny.

Yes, I can’t say I’m 100% convinced that I’m from the present. How confident do we have to be? Enough to bet our lives? to bet a car? to bet $100?

Someone’s been watching Dark. (I love that show)

You’ll have to trust me on this, I’m from the future.

I would also ask him if there were ever a vaccine for COVID-19. If he had an elaborate story about the discovery of a vaccine, or some other elaborate story, I’d suspect fraud. If he said “What?” Then he’s more likely to be real.

A fraud is going to expect questions about the near (to me) future, and current events, and have stories ready. Someone really from 2220 isn’t going to know much about 2020. Unless COVID-19 ends up becoming something on the scope of the Black Death, it’s unlikely people in 2220 will have heard of it. (How many people had heard of the Spanish flu before the H1N1 scare 10 years ago?) And even if COVID-19 does become the infamous plague of 2020, that is taught in history books, people from 2220 probably will not know many details, such as the name of the disease (COVID-19), anymore than people today can say Yersinia pestis, or remember things such as that it started in the Wuhan province of China, or who the US president was at the time. If he does know those things, he’s a history buff, who will know things from other eras. Someone from 2220 who knows who was the US president during the plague of 2020, will probably know things most people from 2020 don’t know, like who Queen Victoria’s two Prime Ministers were. (Disraeli & Gladstone; I’m a history buff. :p)

It’s kinda like biblical prophets. They claim to be writing at one time, but we know they were writing in another, because they have excellent knowledge of a 3-4 years period, vague knowledge of events before that period, and are wildly wrong about events after that period.

If he seems to know an awful lot about 2000-2020, is accurate, but vague about the far past, and says things about the future that change with retelling, like a criminal who is making up an alibi, that’s the biggest clue.

I would expect his clothes to look like they were mass produced, not made on a Singer in someone’s sewing room. I sew as a sort of minor hobby, and it’s easy to tell something homemade from something mass produced. What’s more, I would expect his clothes to be labeled in some way. Maybe clothes cleaning is by some entirely different process in 200 years, but I would still think clothes would have some kind of care labels. This is 200 years, not 2000 years. Maybe he has an implanted computer device that reads a label I can’t see, but he can still show it to me somehow.

Further, I would expect that if his clothes are not cotton, linen or wool, then whatever polymer they are made from is fire resistant in 200 years, because this is a technology that is always being improved upon. If he has clothes that are especially resistant to inflaming (even if they discolor from flame, or something), this would impress me.

Anyway, I have a lot of confidence in my ability to detect a costume, even a really well-disguised one.

I would ask about recent (to him) inventions, and want to know what they are called. If he makes up nonsense words for them, he’s probably a fraud. That’s not how neologisms are fabricated (unless they are borrowed from literature, like referring to outsiders from your profession as “muggles,” or dwarf animals an “munchkins*”), but it’s what 3rd rate sci-fi writers do. Real neologisms are either fabricated from Greek and Latin (microwave oven), derived from existing words (software), or loan words form other languages (karaoke). And this has been true for the history of the English language.
*Yes, I’m aware that Munchkins being small is a fabrication of Hollywood, and does now go back to Baum.

I don’t think an average unprepared person can pull it off unless they happen to be very lucky. Generally someone spouting off a ‘few bullet points of future knowledge’ is not going to be distinguishable from someone who’s read a speculative modern book and started spouting off about it. A non-scientist vaguely talking about dark matter or quantum computing is going to seem more like a stoner going on about his theories than someone making predictions, and is probably either going to talk about stuff that we already know (or are pretty sure of) or things that won’t be discovered until far enough in the future that it’s useless for establishing his bona-fides. Same with a non-historian trying to rattle off names and dates -

If you google ‘Simpson’s Predictions’ you can find a bunch of things that the Simpson’s predicted, like the NSA spying scandal, Higgs Boson mass, Ebola outbreak, Trump presidency, multiple Superbowl winners, US beating Sweden at curling in the Olympics, Disney Buying Fox, Sigfreid and Roy getting attacked by their tiger, and many more. Generally your future person’s vague knowledge is going to be stuff like this, and not many people believe the Simpson’s writers to be time travelers.

With preparation, OTOH, it’s really easy to do. Look on the Wikipedia page (or whatever they use) for 2020-2021 and commit a bunch of specific names, dates, and events to memory, then offer specific predictions.

In the German series* Dark*, 11-year-old Mikkel is thrust 33 years into the past (from 2019 to 1986). I tried to put myself in his shoes and imagined my own 11-year-old self in 1964 hurtling back to 1931. That would have been an awful time period in which to land, exacerbated by the fact that 11-year-old Red Wiggler knew fuck all about anything.

Do you know who won the election of 1860? I think this coming election is pivotal in almost the same way and I would expect him to know who won. Actually, I can tell you who won each election from 1820 to 1840. Or even 1788 to 1840. I am a bit watery on 1844 to 1856, but then I can tell you who wan from then on. But I would ask if the US still existed and, if not, what happened. He would have to be pretty good to make up such a story on the spot.

As for language, I once read Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy. It was written in, I think, 1887. When they were in 1887, the language didn’t strike me in any way, but when the time traveler reported conversations he had had in 2000, it really clanged. People simply didn’t talk that way in 2000. So old language, until you get back to Shakespeare, is reasonably comprehensible, but expect some differences. Hell, my kids speak slightly differently than I do.