# What would convince Believers that they've been wrong all along? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2002, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-convince-believers-that-theyve-been-wrong-all-along/125063 "2002-08-22T12:49:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-convince-believers-that-theyve-been-wrong-all-along/125063/141 "2002-08-27T07:35:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cjhoworth \* > **Voyager** , I’m afraid I’m going to be of no help to you whatsoever. I wish I could, but God keeps vetoing the 6 foot high neon sign idea. Maybe if I nag him a bit more? 😉 On the other hand, the massive miracles in the Old Testament didn’t always work that well. After all, there wasn’t that much of a timelag between the parting of the Red Sea and the Golden Calf. Oh well. Can we agree on mutual respect anyway? > > CJ I think some people need faith, and some don’t. Those who don’t force their faith on others get my respect. As for the Golden Calf - I don’t believe it - my ancestors wouldn’t have been so dumb. God should have come down and dope-slapped the lot of them. When that was actually written the priests were having a lot of trouble keeping the people in line, and that is a fine story about the perils of going back to idols. BTW, best of luck in your troubles. I hope things get better. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-convince-believers-that-theyve-been-wrong-all-along/125063/142 "2002-08-27T12:48:44Z")
Jumping in late here. > [@](#): > > _Posted by **cjhoworth** _ > Logic is telling me there are exactly 19 want ads in both local Sunday papers combined for my field. Faith is telling me I’ll find a new job, anyway. Faith sounds better right now. Both tell me to keep sending out resumes, calling headhunters, etc. My take on faith is that it is often directed in the wrong direction (IMHO). I find hope and comfort in my family and friends, if it’s not available there for any reason, I find it within myself. If I’m out of work, I have faith in _myself_ that I will find work. I know I’ve found it before and I know that I have traits that someone (eventually) will find desireable in an employee. I find it odd and somewhat frustrating that some great people who are members of great teams (I mean this in the most general sense) often direct their thanks and praise, not to themselves and their teammates, but to God or a similar concept. This goes to sporting teams, actors, people who have survived against the odds, etc. An example would be the actor who thanks God foremost in their Oscar acceptance speach (may it be as short as possible). If it was me, I’d be thanking the human beings who helped me first, by rights I should thank myself first but that would probably go against accepted humility practices :D. Now I’m not trying to take anything away from those who feel that God is the _prime_ motivator in their life, if that’s how you feel, then fine, each to their own. I do think it’s unfortunate though that sometimes the good hard work of real people comes second place in somepeople’s minds to the work of God (which must be alot easier, because He can do anything anyway :)). **Echokitty** A quick one on formatting. Quotes can be created and nested by using the quote function. Either type: {quote} {/quote} around the portion you wish quoted (replacing the { brackets with [ brackets) or push on the “quote” button at the bottom of the person’s post you wish to quote. ---
**Author:** ![EchoKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@EchoKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EchoKitty)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-convince-believers-that-theyve-been-wrong-all-along/125063/143 "2002-08-27T14:41:18Z")
Skogcat, thanks for the formatting tip. I’ll try it the next time I quote someone (I’m scared!). I feel much the same way you do. I give credit where credit is due, be it good or bad. I’ve been out of work and something always turns up. I’ve had a lot of good fortune that I attribute to hard work and cooperation between my husband and me (and my extended family). I’ve also had a really hard, crappy, violent life that I credit myself and others for. It’s just life. When things are bad, take steps to change them. When things are good, take steps to maintain them. Sometimes the best efforts don’t have any effect on the outcome, but a lesson is always learned. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-convince-believers-that-theyve-been-wrong-all-along/125063/144 "2002-08-27T21:17:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cjhoworth \* > \*\* > Logic is telling me there are exactly 19 want ads in both local Sunday papers combined for my field. Faith is telling me I’ll find a new job, anyway. Faith sounds better right now. Both tell me to keep sending out resumes, calling headhunters, etc. > > CJ \*\* CJ, take a look at this site: > **[Ask The Headhunter® - Home](https://www.asktheheadhunter.com/)** > > Headhunter Nick Corcodilos gives you an insider's edge on job search, hiring, resumes, interviews, recruiters, salary, and much more. I’m not associated with him in anyway (though have had some email discussions) but what he says makes a lot of sense from the perspective of a hiring manager. I just filled an opening, and none of the people I interviewed came in through wantads or websites. One came from a colleague at my company, one came from a Professor who I asked for students looking for jobs, and one found me through professional activities I am involved with. Sorry for the hijack, but give his ideas a shot, and good luck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-convince-believers-that-theyve-been-wrong-all-along/125063.md?page=7)