Although to be fair I suspect that if in say 2015, we posted a list of all of the lies, obstructions of justice, misuse of authority and disgrace to the office that Trump has ordered you also would have called it absurd to believe that any Republican president would behave that way and said that no Republicans would have voted against his impeachment. It is just that now these actions have been normalized.
I agree that Trump isn’t be able to “suspend the constitution” simply because if he tried, whatever underling he told to do so would respectfully inform him that that what he is asking is illegal and so he should find a different solution. But if we ever reached the point where Trump was getting his illegal orders followed, I doubt that you would find 20 Republicans willing to put their neck on the line to vote for his removal.
In general? Yeah, the courts have shut down several things he has tried to do, and there’s questions about several more. With respect to the national emergency declaration? I didn’t find much basis for calling it “legally questionable”, but I’m certainly open to letting the courts review it and decide.
My understanding is that we’re still awaiting the final word from SCOTUS on that point. The lower courts certainly don’t seem to think the current president has the power to “merely provide guidance on which laws are going to be enforced” with respect to DACA.
I find it very odd that people are saying that congressional republicans would continue to support Trump when the OP straight up says that he’s disbanding congress. Congressional republicans care about literally nothing but money, power, and their jobs. If Trump doesn’t promptly replace Congress with a body that continues to give the congressional republicans what they want they’ll stop supporting him instantly.
Don’t worry I am sure he’ll have the good sense to take a leaf out of Augustus’ book keep congress around in name only (with full benefits) so they can rubber stamp his pronouncements and release the occasional missive thanking the gods for the continued health and blessings of the emperor.
Except Trump is losing quite a bit of support – his popularity took quite a hit after the shut down, and the “national emergency” made it even worse. His base is shrinking, so who would Congress be appeasing if they went along with him?
(Hell, even some of your Freeper types seem to be losing enthusiasm for the guy)
If he loses the election next year, I can guarantee Trump will be a sore loser. But I honestly can’t see this kind of thing succeeding. And Trump may be stupid, but I don’t think he’s quite THAT stupid. Or at least, the people around him aren’t.
Ya had me until the underlined part. :dubious: I believe thump’s stupidity is something that cannot be underestimated. (Did I say that right? I mean, every time you think you’ve reached the limit, he surprises.)
Still, I hope you are right. OTOH, if he really is losing support in the field, why are the Pubbies still so reluctant to oppose him out loud in front of God and everyone?
Couldn’t he just executive order those obstacles out of the way? (“It’s an EMERGENCY. No time to worry about what global warming gang says about environmental impact. The only environment that counts is the environment of safety on our streets!!”)
Even the sniveling Trump is unlikely to try something that stupid. And he’s held in such disrespect, even among Republicans, that he wouldn’t get far. However …
We already see the steady erosion of American democracy. Increasingly, Congressmen work for lobbyists and corporate interests rather than the people. Elections are swayed by super-PACs, foreign governments, fake News, and Facebook shills who’ve found a fun way to make a dime. When a progressive does win an election, the forces opposed to democracy pull out every trick to reverse the impact of the voters’ decisions. The Trump Administration has already announced plans to rig the 2020 census — that will be the biggest gerrymandering in history. The Rs deploy a variety of voter suppression methods. In districts controlled by R’s easy-to-hack voting machines are (inexplicably?) still the vogue.
American democracy is already under severe attack.
Adolf Hitler was a genius compared with the Orange Buffoon — Trump’s low intelligence is one cause for optimism — but there are parallels between the two. Hitler had his Brown-Shirts and Trump has his Deplorables. A large majority of America’s 300 million civilian guns are in the hands of Trump supporters; millions of these rednecks will turn out and start shooting if Trump tells them to.
But again, it’s the differences between Hitler and Trump that should give us hope. The Brown-Shirts were a trained and disciplined militia. The MAGA-Hatters are dominated by fat ignorant beer-drinkers who’d be shooting themselves in the feet.
I don’t think executive orders are like, ex cathedra. There are still going to be challenges. For example, eminent domain cases will still result in law suits – it’s inevitable. It has nothing to do with how they came about.
He’s not going to be able to wave a magic wand and get rid of the problems over night. Trust me, there’s going to be a fight. And it’ll be ugly.
And by this I mean that it was filled with ignorant stereotyping, which I thought you were against, as well as hyperbole and exaggerations that would embarrass Chicken Little herself.
And when President Trump won the 2016 election, progressives pulled out every trick they could imagine to try to reverse the impact of the voters’ decision: recounts, urging faithless electors, objecting to the certification of the vote, etc.
If they were so easy to hack you’d think you’d have some proof that they had, you know, actually been hacked.
Of course you offer no evidence of this, just a broad-brush stereotype of what you imagine “MAGA hatters” are like. Your post couldn’t have less credibility if it had been written by Jussie Smollett.
All of which was perfectly legal and constitutional, even if admittedly not very much in the spirit of democracy. But moving polling stations, shrinking the times allowed for early voting, having the Trump team communicate about election strategy and dirt sharing with Wikileaks and representatives of Vladimir Putin…aren’t exactly in the spirit of democracy either.
Fine, let’s drop the term “hack” and instead focus on how the right wing has poisoned political discourse through a steady diet of misinformation and hypocrisy over the years.
You folks never fail to amuse. In a thread like this one, where Trump supporters are called mindless murderous fat Nazis, you want to talk about how the right wing has poisoned discourse.
Didn’t a 14 year old hack one of the election machines that they were using during the 2016 election as a demonstration? I ask this because I just tried a Google search on this, and I didn’t turn up anything… but I remember reading in either Newsweek or Time about him using a USB interface or something. He downloaded stuff off of it and changed something on the screen to say Mickey Mouse.
I wouldn’t usually hop in when I can’t find my source but I can remember the graphic in the article and everything. It was in the magazine rack in my guest bathroom for a year, next to a two year old Rolling Stone.
Oh for what its worth, I really don’t have a leg in this fight. I think its stupid to fathom that Trump wouldn’t be happy to leave in 2020. He doesn’t seem that into the job.
