# What would happen if Mohammad had never lived?

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [December 26, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-happen-if-mohammad-had-never-lived/645158 "2012-12-26T06:24:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-happen-if-mohammad-had-never-lived/645158/21 "2012-12-27T19:44:51Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> You shouldn’t blame Muhammad for all of the negative excesses carried out by Muslims. The original version of Islam was pretty open-minded. Unfortunately more narrow-minded people later came along and used their religion as an excuse to enhance their authority and oppress other people.

the Quran, since day one, has been very cruel & close minded

If someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his. If it was a male that was killed, you kill one of the killer’s male slaves. If a female, you kill a female. Murder for murder. Slave for slave. It all works out swell with Allah’s wondrous rules. 2:178

Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

if there are any wrong-doers around after you’ve killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you’ll have to kill them too. 2:193b

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. 3:151

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**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\
**Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-happen-if-mohammad-had-never-lived/645158/22 "2012-12-27T20:06:28Z")

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Actually Harry Turtledove wrote a series of stories where Muhammad converted to Orthodox Christianity and became a bishop and later a saint of the Church.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent\_of\_Byzantium](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_of_Byzantium)

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**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-happen-if-mohammad-had-never-lived/645158/23 "2012-12-28T03:26:38Z")

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> [@JoelUpchurch](#):
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> Actually Harry Turtledove wrote a series of stories where Muhammad converted to Orthodox Christianity and became a bishop and later a saint of the Church.
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> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent\_of\_Byzantium](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_of_Byzantium)

I thought a female poisoned him, while still Muslim..? A Jewish woman, after he slaughtered yet another city, and took the young virgins.

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**Author:** ![TheCrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@TheCrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheCrow)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2012, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-happen-if-mohammad-had-never-lived/645158/24 "2012-12-29T06:28:27Z")

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> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#):
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> Without Mohammed (Peas Be Upon Him), the world would be unreognizable to-day. Without the rise of Islam and the subsequent wars of conquest, the Sassanid Empire in Persia (ie Iran) survives for far longer while Byzantium doesn’t lose Jersualem and Egypt. That in itself will have massive effects on history-I can’t say what’ll happen not being an expert in those periods.

Plagiarism is bad.

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