Post #31 mentions Biden’s supposed conspiracy in Obama’s election, not his own. IOW that Biden knew that Obama was not eligible to be President, but conspired with him to cover up documents or something similar.
The part about getting him out because he isn’t a Republican is something you made up.
Regards,
Shodan
There would be no need to do any such thing. The laws signed and orders given by Obama would remain law. It would not be the case that Obama had never been the president, rather that Obama had improperly been the president. His use of presidential powers would not be nullified. That would be silly. He has been duly sworn in as President, and his future removal from office, if it even took place, would not change that.
I personally believe, the result is Civil War part deux
Just like there is no way to convince the Birthers that Obama is legit, there is no way no how that “Certain Groups” or at least subsets of these groups will ever be convinced that that "proof " is true. Add that tension to the Occupy mindset, plus the “Right” will take advantage of this situation and riots will explode all over the country. Deaths will occur and the spiral begins. Think of the beginning of the Spanish Civil War only much nastier. I don’t mean this as a slam towards any group I have mentioned, I just believe that there is no way the first AA President gets impeached, in this political environment, and it turns out well. To be honest the “Proof”, I am going to have a hard time believing, you know it would be awfully “convenient” for someone to have found out now:dubious:
Cheers all
Capt
You are wrong about the done deal aspect.
Will of electorate being ‘ratified’ is not a legal concept, when it contradicts the Constitution.
Eligibility can be challenged at any time. What makes you think it can’t?
The nation is governed by the Constitution, not ‘the will of the electorate.’
He would be canned, and the laws that he signed would not be undone.
I think it was hypothetical.
Yeah I didn’t mean to hijack, just got thinking as I was reading.
Sorry folks for my errant ways
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Well, there is precedent for at least one person who was nowhere near “natural born” to be the President of the United States, isn’t there ? Y’all even put him on Mt. Rushmore.
Most probably a few Presidents after him as well, though I’m shaky on early American history so don’t ask me to name them 
Those who were here during the Revolution were grandfathered in. Martin Van Buren, the 8th POTUS, was the first born after Independence.
Which was my (likely flawed) understanding of the laws surrounding the situation. I hypothesized that Biden would likely have been aware of Obama’s lack of eligibility. If, in this situation, it turned out that Biden was truly unaware and not complicit, I agree that there would be no reason to consider impeachment. However, it does seem staggeringly unlikely that the VP would be unaware if the President were ineligible for the office.
Precisely.
So, if the Constitution as written can be circumvented out of expediency and people be retro-actively made natural born citizens in one instance, then it can be in others when also expedient - such as “when the guy has been acting President for 4 years already”.
Can’t think of a better reason to give anyone honorary citizenship-with-all-the-trimmings, really 
; and averting the confusion and chaos inherent in trying to retcon his presidency seems eminently expedient to me.
ETA: that was a reply to 2sense, naturally.
Why? If this conspiracy was already in place, why would they bother to bring Biden in on it? He cannot strengthen any further-he would only become a liability.
Agreed. Most likely outcome.
Sure, but if the assumption is that he is not an NBC, then there is a corresponding assumption that he knows he isn’t, and hence isn’t too particular about whether he is eligible to be POTUS.
Right. Another way out of the crisis is for Congress to pass a law that defines “Natural Born Citizen” in such a way that Obama is defined as one. Like, “Anyone who is an American citizen is a Natural Born Citizen”. Then Obama continues as president.
Or, we could pass a quick Consitutional Amendment to remove the “Natural Born” requirement, and make it retroactive.
A still other way out of the crisis is for congress and the Supreme Court to simply ignore the issue, and continue to act as if Obama is eligible to serve as President. If, say, some members of Congress try to impeach him on grounds of ineligibility, the impeachment could be voted down. When various people sue, the lower courts rule against them and the Supreme Court upholds, or refues to grant cert.
If the voters don’t revolt, then what?
It wasn’t circumvented.
The Constitution explicitly extended eligibility to those who were grandfathered in. They didn’t just assume those people could be president.
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They certainly threw commas around in weird places back then, didn’t they ?
Depending on how one chooses to parse the punctuation, this article might just as well be taken to mean that there’s no meaningful difference between “natural born citizens” and plain old “citizen”, or even that no one can be president who wasn’t around at the time the Constitution was adopted (“after me, the Flood !”) :p.
Well, yes, but one of the basic rules of statutory construction is that you read laws in a way that makes sense.
Well that’s just oppressive :mad:.
That hypothetical, I think, is even weirder, because that’s an eligibility condition one can gain. Given how long it took for the proof in the OP’s example, the hypothetical president would have been ineligible at the time of assuming the office, but eligible at the time the proof came to light.
On the question of retroactively declaring all laws he signed void, there is actually precedent, of a sort, against that. One of the arguments used by tax deniers is that at the time of the ratification of the amendment allowing income taxes, there was some bit of paperwork concerning Ohio’s statehood that didn’t have all of its Is dotted and Ts crossed, and that the amendment was therefore never really ratified, and that there is therefore no real income tax. This argument is taken by the courts with about as much seriousness as one would expect.
It’s more of a guideline, really.