# What would Jesus think about all the adulation? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 27, 2011, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508 "2011-12-27T10:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/61 "2011-12-28T15:46:25Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > btw I think it’s funny to critize god and say humans can do better…even though we’ve been killing each other for centuries for nationalism, patriotism, jealousy, etc. But hey whatever makes you feel better at night I for one am smart enough not to position a drainage valve directly above and within inches of the intake valve, I wouldn’t place a loaded gun in the same room as innocent children with instructions for them not to touch it, then leave the room, and I wouldn’t murder most of the world’s population just because I was disappointed in them. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/62 "2011-12-28T15:46:51Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > I was comparing how posters praise with utmost belief that science is the solution to all; even though there are unexplained things in the world. Science is the method we have that works. And you are still avoiding giving any actual examples. And any evidence that even if science can’t provide an answer, that religion _can_ despite its multi-millennia-long history of being relentlessly wrong. “Science can’t do it” is not evidence that religion can succeed when science failed, especially since religion never has. > [@commoncents](#): > > Let me ask you, what part of religion as failed? Any attempt to actually be right on any subject. Religion is worse than random guessing. > [@commoncents](#): > > btw I think it’s funny to critize god and say humans can do better…even though we’ve been killing each other for centuries for nationalism, patriotism, jealousy, etc. And? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/63 "2011-12-28T15:47:31Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > The Children of Gaga are refugees from Christianity. That is why they came rushing into her open arms. Do I blame them? No. And I don’t really hate Gaga. She brings so much hope and joy to so many people whose lives would otherwise lack those things. She raised an army of the damned. I don’t trust her motives entirely, but I think her social activism is a godsend. God works in mysterious ways. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/64 "2011-12-28T15:49:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What unexplained thing in the world do you think science is incapable of eventually explaining, and why? three things I can automatically come up with, sociology, criminology, and anthropoly. We cannot use the scientific method on crimes nor can we on culture. We cannot pick 500 kids, place half in low income neighborhoods and the other in high class neighborhoods and see how their life develops. Why? 1) because it’s unethical. You can’t just buy kids and place them wherever you feel like it. 2) because life is too chaotic and a poor could become rich and vice-versa. But does that mean that being poor or coming from a poor neighborhood don’t contribute to crime? Furthermore, we often use the term “culture.” Anthropology is nothing more than a collection of stories put together to create a “culture.” Can we test this “culture?” Maybe we could get a bunch of people and toss them into this “culture” and see what happens. but again their actions or inactions would be from “stories.” but is culture a real product or is it a fairy tale? that is what I mean by science cannot prove everything. Some things are either too unethical or too abstract to prove. But do we still believe that they’re real? Is culture real? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on their point of view ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/65 "2011-12-28T15:52:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I for one am smart enough not to position a drainage valve directly above and within inches of the intake valve, I wouldn’t place a loaded gun in the same room as innocent children with instructions for them not to touch it, then leave the room, and I wouldn’t murder most of the world’s population just because I was disappointed in them. ah but humans have fallacies. You can stay in disbelief that you’re perfect and nothing you do is every wrong. However, ask you have seen throughout history and present times, you are not perfect. I know it’s horrible to think that. Humans make mistakes. Atheists and christians would agree with this (well some would). ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/66 "2011-12-28T15:58:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Science is the method we have that works. And you are still avoiding giving any actual examples. And any evidence that even if science can’t provide an answer, that religion _can_ despite its multi-millennia-long history of being relentlessly wrong. “Science can’t do it” is not evidence that religion can succeed when science failed, especially since religion never has. > > Any attempt to actually be right on any subject. Religion is worse than random guessing. > > And? but isn’t random guessing the cornerstone of science? Einstein, Bohr, and other other scientists have once randomly guessed the theories of the universe. Based on their random theories, they decided to test and determine the validity of such guess. Isn’t that how medicine was created in times past? We have a plant with certain chemicals, we do not yet know if it could be poisoneous or not, we’ll just guess and pray for the best. Do not hate on guessing. You may call it a hypothesis or theory or whatever, but it is still guessing. It’s only called science once you test it out ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/67 "2011-12-28T15:59:04Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > ah but humans have fallacies. You can stay in disbelief that you’re perfect and nothing you do is every wrong. However, ask you have seen throughout history and present times, you are not perfect. I know it’s horrible to think that. Humans make mistakes. Atheists and christians would agree with this (well some would). Cite that _anyone_ on this board has seriously claimed to be perfect, please? This type of strawman argument is extremely weak. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/68 "2011-12-28T16:05:21Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > three things I can automatically come up with, sociology, criminology, and anthropoly. > > We cannot use the scientific method on crimes nor can we on culture. We cannot pick 500 kids, place half in low income neighborhoods and the other in high class neighborhoods and see how their life develops. Why? 1) because it’s unethical. You can’t just buy kids and place them wherever you feel like it. 2) because life is too chaotic and a poor could become rich and vice-versa. > > But does that mean that being poor or coming from a poor neighborhood don’t contribute to crime? > > Furthermore, we often use the term “culture.” Anthropology is nothing more than a collection of stories put together to create a “culture.” Can we test this “culture?” Maybe we could get a bunch of people and toss them into this “culture” and see what happens. but again their actions or inactions would be from “stories.” > > but is culture a real product or is it a fairy tale? > > that is what I mean by science cannot prove everything. Some things are either too unethical or too abstract to prove. But do we still believe that they’re real? Is culture real? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on their point of view To correct your monumental errors would take a thread hijack of incredible proportions. Your last sentence: > [@](#): > > Is culture real? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on their point of view Is so wrong that I can only shake my head in disbelief/wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/69 "2011-12-28T16:07:38Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > but isn’t random guessing the cornerstone of science? No. Scientists have pre-existing theories and a great many facts to build on; they don’t just randomly “guess”. > [@commoncents](#): > > Isn’t that how medicine was created in times past? We have a plant with certain chemicals, we do not yet know if it could be poisoneous or not, we’ll just guess and pray for the best. Trial and error isn’t science, it predates science. But it isn’t religion either, since religion denies error. ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/70 "2011-12-28T16:08:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > To correct your monumental errors would take a thread hijack of incredible proportions. Your last sentence:Is so wrong that I can only shake my head in disbelief/wonder. please go ahead. Please prove me wrong then. Instead of criticizing me, please present your argument on how we can test criminality and culture. if “stories” are not considered science, then how can we test them ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/71 "2011-12-28T16:10:38Z")
Jesus didn’t exactly discourage the woman who washed his feet with her tears and dried them with her hair, or the others who worshipped him in his presence. I think he’s okay with it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/72 "2011-12-28T16:11:25Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > please go ahead. Please prove me wrong then. Instead of criticizing me, please present your argument on how we can test criminality and culture. > > if “stories” are not considered science, then how can we test them Anthropology is not just a collection of stories. Where did you get this definition of the word? ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/73 "2011-12-28T16:12:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Cite that _anyone_ on this board has seriously claimed to be perfect, please? This type of strawman argument is extremely weak. "I for one am smart enough not to position a drainage valve directly above and within inches of the intake valve, I wouldn’t place a loaded gun in the same room as innocent children with instructions for them not to touch it, then leave the room, and I wouldn’t murder most of the world’s population just because I was disappointed in them. " You acted like if you had control of creation, nothing bad would occur. So yes presumptively you concluded that you had no fallacies ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/74 "2011-12-28T16:16:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Anthropology is not just a collection of stories. Where did you get this definition of the word? again you avoided my question, how would science prove the existence of “culture” or what contributes to “crime” stop avoiding the question and answer it ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/75 "2011-12-28T16:17:29Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > "I for one am smart enough not to position a drainage valve directly above and within inches of the intake valve, I wouldn’t place a loaded gun in the same room as innocent children with instructions for them not to touch it, then leave the room, and I wouldn’t murder most of the world’s population just because I was disappointed in them. " > > You acted like if you had control of creation, nothing bad would occur. So yes presumptively you concluded that you had no fallacies Wrong. If you are going to continue to misuse words and definitions, misstate what others are saying, and use hoary strawman arguments that are better suited for Chick comics, I see no reason to continue discussing this issue with you. Deliberate ignorance is something I cannot stand. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/76 "2011-12-28T16:18:19Z")
**commoncents** , this has nothing to do with the original topic of discussion. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss what science is (or isn’t). ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/77 "2011-12-28T16:20:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wrong. If you are going to continue to misuse words and definitions, misstate what others are saying, and use hoary strawman arguments that are better suited for Chick comics, I see no reason to continue discussing this issue with you. Deliberate ignorance is something I cannot stand. Not surprised. Posters love to say science is the answer to all but when challenged, call names and run away. please tell me how can science prove “culture.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/78 "2011-12-28T16:21:09Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > Not surprised. Posters love to say science is the answer to all but when challenged, call names and run away. > > please tell me how can science prove “culture.” Start a new thread if you want to discuss this. ---
**Author:** ![commoncents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@commoncents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commoncents)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/79 "2011-12-28T16:22:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **commoncents** , this has nothing to do with the original topic of discussion. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss what science is (or isn’t). So wait, this topic is on the question if god is real or not. Posters complain that science is the answer to all and nothing exists if science cannot prove it. My argument is that certain things exist even if science cannot prove. i.e. culture. Therefore the argument that god does not exist because science cannot prove it is flawed. How is this not related to the original topic? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/80 "2011-12-28T16:27:16Z")
> [@commoncents](#): > > So wait, this topic is on the question if god is real or not. That’s not the topic. > [@](#): > > Posters complain that science is the answer to all and nothing exists if science cannot prove it. Nobody has said that. > [@](#): > > How is this not related to the original topic? See above. So with that: start a new thread. That goes for you and for people who want to respond to what you’ve said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508.md?page=5)