# What would Jesus think about all the adulation? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 27, 2011, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508 "2011-12-27T10:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/101 "2011-12-28T23:39:28Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > Why should they? What is it about Lady Gaga fandom that implies hate of Christianity? I wonder if he’s assuming most of her fans are gay and that they hate Christianity for that reason. That would actually kind of make sense, but even if a disproportionate number of her fans are LGBT, it’d still be a small fraction of her fanbase. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/102 "2011-12-28T23:43:53Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I wonder if he’s assuming most of her fans are gay and that they hate Christianity for that reason. That would actually kind of make sense, but even if a disproportionate number of her fans are LGBT, it’d still be a small fraction of her fanbase. I’ve known plenty of gay christians, and christians who had no problem with homosexuality. But yes, I suppose the stereotype of christianity being anti-gay holds true a disturbingly large percentage of the time. Like you say, she’s a popular performer. Even if a disproportionate percentage of her fans are gay, the majority are not. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/103 "2011-12-28T23:44:39Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > I’ve known plenty of gay christians, and christians who had no problem with homosexuality. So have I. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/104 "2011-12-29T00:14:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Can we get a citation for _that_, at least? It seems like this kind of accusation gets thrown at every major pop star - and I’m just talking about the pop stars, nevermind the kind of nonsense that gets trotted out about rock or heavy metal musicians. This thread has gone off-topic. It’s supposed to be about Jesus and adulation. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/105 "2011-12-29T00:22:06Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > This thread has gone off-topic. It’s supposed to be about Jesus and adulation. This thread’s never been on-topic. No one has attempted to answer the question “What would Jesus think about all the adulation?”, but instead have been saying that Jesus _deserves_ adulation. Not the same thing, at all. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/106 "2011-12-29T00:28:05Z")
> [@DaveBfd](#): > > Theo, he’s asking for a cite because it is stupid to “debate” opinions. > > You made statements as facts, and he wants you to prove them. If you cant prove them you cant use them to defend your position in the debate. > > Personally I find the whole issue of Gaga pointless… but I see the point in his asking. It is stupid to “debate” opinions, as if you could somehow disprove another person’s opinion. The whole issue of Gaga is threatened to derail this thread. If Czarcasm just wanted me to expand on what I said, he could have asked. “Disproving” my pop-cultural observation just means that you disagree with it. I don’t mind that at all. Stop trying to be right! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/107 "2011-12-29T00:32:32Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > This thread has gone off-topic. It’s supposed to be about Jesus and adulation. You don’t get to bring in made-up facts then, when asked for cites, declare the stuff _you_ brought up in the first place “off-topic”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/108 "2011-12-29T00:34:25Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > It is stupid to “debate” opinions, as if you could somehow disprove another person’s opinion. The whole issue of Gaga is threatened to derail this thread. If Czarcasm just wanted me to expand on what I said, he could have asked. “Disproving” my pop-cultural observation just means that you disagree with it. You claimed that Lady Gaga fans hate Christianity; that’s a claim of fact, not an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/109 "2011-12-29T00:35:38Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > This thread’s never been on-topic. No one has attempted to answer the question “What would Jesus think about all the adulation?”, but instead have been saying that Jesus _deserves_ adulation. Not the same thing, at all. According to the words _directly_ attributed to Jesus as put forth in the KJV Bible, I think he would be mighty pissed off that, instead of trying to follow his footsteps and become more like him, we’ve made him into an icon and a shortcut to Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/110 "2011-12-29T00:35:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I don’t see how it could be praise at _any_ time. It’s like saying “the dice fall at random,” merely an observation of behaviour without an attempt to explain its mechanics. It is not like that at all. God does not play dice. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/111 "2011-12-29T00:36:39Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > It is not like that at all. God does not play dice. Fact or opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/112 "2011-12-29T00:37:59Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > God does not play dice. “God not only plays dice but also sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.” ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/113 "2011-12-29T00:39:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Such a convenient explanation for giving God credit while avoiding giving God blame. I don’t want to give God blame. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/114 "2011-12-29T00:40:12Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > I don’t want to give God blame. Believers never do. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/115 "2011-12-29T00:44:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > According to the words _directly_ attributed to Jesus as put forth in the KJV Bible, I think he would be mighty pissed off that, instead of trying to follow his footsteps and become more like him, we’ve made him into an icon and a shortcut to Heaven. Jesus offers Himself as the shortcut to heaven. “I am the doorway,” He says. “Whosoever believes in me will have eternal life.” Jesus is not a bad icon to have. Best icon I can think of. ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/116 "2011-12-29T00:46:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Fact or opinion? Depends on what you believe. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/117 "2011-12-29T00:47:42Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Depends on what you believe. Can you, at the _very_ least, tell us if you can tell the difference between the two? ---
**Author:** ![Theophane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@Theophane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theophane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/118 "2011-12-29T00:50:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Can you, at the _very_ least, tell us if you can tell the difference between the two? Facts are objective, opinions are personal. Faith is also personal. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/119 "2011-12-29T00:52:44Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Facts are objective, opinions are personal. Faith is also personal. As **Der Trihs** already pointed out, you are making assertions about factual matters and then (as far as I can tell) saying you don’t have to back them up because they’re articles of faith. Isn’t that a bait and switch? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508/120 "2011-12-29T00:55:36Z")
> [@Theophane](#): > > Facts are objective, opinions are personal. Faith is also personal. Then can we assume that, since man cannot know the mind of God, that any declarations you make on what God can or cannot do, say or want are only your unfounded personal opinion, much like your statements about lady Ga Ga and her fans? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-jesus-think-about-all-the-adulation/607508.md?page=7)