# What would make Trumps base supporters turn on him? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963 "2018-05-28T13:19:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/101 "2018-06-15T13:28:45Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I am _very_ confident that Trump’s diplomacy in North Korea is barely worth the paper it’s written on.) I would quibble with the “barely” there. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/102 "2018-06-15T13:34:33Z")
Based on everything he has said and done thus far and all his proven lies, he is immune from losing his loyal, core followers. He is like that televangelist, recently on the news, who wears a four figure suit, a Rolex watch, and who is campaigning for a $60 million private jet so that he “can spread the word of God”. They see nothing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/103 "2018-06-15T14:07:26Z")
Not everyone who voted from him is in his base. He got some votes by people wanting to extend the middle digit to Hillary, some would have voted for a wet dog turd if was a Republican dog turd. Some just wanted to shake things up. I think most of these people could be turned away from him. The hard core MAGA crowd, no there’s nothing that would phase them. He could run puppies through a wood chipper, screw his daughter on live TV, and dynamite the Lincoln Memorial and his supporters would just say “Haw haw! Sweet liberal tears!” They are brainwashed and unthinking, and when he gets frog-marched into Leavenworth, they’re going to burn the country down. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/104 "2018-06-15T14:17:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Could the cruel spectacle of separating parents and children at the border (and then \*misplacing \*the children!) be the thing that gets the attention of the deplorables? It’s getting a lot of coverage. Anyone know how FOX is spinning it? > > Yeah, yeah, I know plenty will never pull their lips from President PantsOnHead’s private parts, but public breaking up of families… surely, some will turn on him? How can anyone (except Jeffy Beauregard) not be moved by these pictures and stories?? > > I mean, people get upset when they think the gummint is coming after their guns, but when the gummint takes away **children**? Even if it’s not their children… > > Tell me a spark of humanity still exists somewhere in the hearts of these people. Please. If they see it as rightful punishment, it will not. AIUI the idea is that the people at the border were asking for it by trying to enter the nation illegally, or so the sentiment goes, and that they could have averted it by not coming it to the border. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/105 "2018-06-15T14:48:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > If they see it as rightful punishment, it will not. > > AIUI the idea is that the people at the border were asking for it by trying to enter the nation illegally, or so the sentiment goes, and that they could have averted it by not coming it to the border. Immigrants who legally apply for asylum at ports of entry are also being separated from their children. > **[Ms. L v. ICE | American Civil Liberties Union](https://www.aclu.org/cases/ms-l-v-ice)** > > SETTLEMENT UPDATE: Sept. 26, 2024: Attorneys Fees Settlement Agreement: https://www.aclu.org/documents/ms-l-attorneys-fees-settlement-agreement Attorneys Fees Class Notice (English):... ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/106 "2018-06-15T17:05:40Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Could the cruel spectacle of separating parents and children at the border (and then \*misplacing \*the children!) be the thing that gets the attention of the deplorables? It’s getting a lot of coverage. Anyone know how FOX is spinning it? > > Yeah, yeah, I know plenty will never pull their lips from President PantsOnHead’s private parts, but public breaking up of families… surely, some will turn on him? How can anyone (except Jeffy Beauregard) not be moved by these pictures and stories?? > > I mean, people get upset when they think the gummint is coming after their guns, but when the gummint takes away **children**? Even if it’s not their children… > > Tell me a spark of humanity still exists somewhere in the hearts of these people. Please. That is hilarious! Looked at Google News and there is a link to Fox News with a headline of “Willie Nelson says Christians should be outraged over separating families at border”. I decided to take a gander and the comments are what I expected: Hey Willie, What about the crappie parents that would drag their children to the US border, cross over as now illegals and putting their children at risk of being separated from them. NO one wants children separated from their parents, but when stupid parents do stupid things, someone has to act in the interest of the children then their parents break the law. It happens everyday all across the country and no one seems concerned about the children except at the border. So what’s up with that? Why should I be outraged that families are being separated at the border because some if not all of them are here illegally in the first place. They chose to break the law thus they chose this not us or anywhere else in America that are following the law. Sorry Willie you are a has been and need to fade away. This Administration is NOT at fault here! It is the LAW that the Democrats instilled!!! Willie, I know you are a Democrat and that is ok, everyone has some kind of handicap! And on and on and on. Bunch of vile, piece of shit deplorables. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/107 "2018-06-15T19:08:18Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > … when he gets frog-marched into Leavenworth… LOL. I closed my eyes, and this vision gave me an “O” face. Oh-oh-oh! (Drew from _Office Space_). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/108 "2018-06-15T19:13:34Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > That is hilarious! > > Looked at Google News and there is a link to Fox News with a headline of “Willie Nelson says Christians should be outraged over separating families at border”. I decided to take a gander and the comments are what I expected: > > Hey Willie, What about the crappie parents that would drag their children to the US border, cross over as now illegals and putting their children at risk of being separated from them. NO one wants children separated from their parents, but when stupid parents do stupid things, someone has to act in the interest of the children then their parents break the law. It happens everyday all across the country and no one seems concerned about the children except at the border. So what’s up with that? > > Why should I be outraged that families are being separated at the border because some if not all of them are here illegally in the first place. They chose to break the law thus they chose this not us or anywhere else in America that are following the law. Sorry Willie you are a has been and need to fade away. > > This Administration is NOT at fault here! It is the LAW that the Democrats instilled!!! Willie, I know you are a Democrat and that is ok, everyone has some kind of handicap! > > And on and on and on. Bunch of vile, piece of shit deplorables. Instilled? > **[Oxford Languages | The Home of Language Data](https://languages.oup.com/)** > > Explore Oxford Languages, the home of world-renowned language data. > [@](#): > > 1. Gradually but firmly establish (an idea or attitude) in a person’s mind. > > ‘the standards her parents had instilled into her’ > > 1. Put (a substance) into something in the form of liquid drops. > > ‘she was told how to instil eye drops’ ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/109 "2018-06-15T19:16:54Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > when he gets frog-marched into Leavenworth, they’re going to burn the country down. As someone else pointed out elsewhere, in the unlikely event that Trump does get impeached and imprisoned, it probably won’t be a general prison alongside of thieves and murderers and rapists, but rather, a very comfy resort-like prison for VIPs. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/110 "2018-06-15T19:30:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > As someone else pointed out elsewhere, in the unlikely event that Trump does get impeached and imprisoned, it probably won’t be a general prison alongside of thieves and murderers and rapists, but rather, a very comfy resort-like prison for VIPs. Maybe we got a barren rock in the Aleutians we can build it on. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/111 "2018-06-15T19:44:20Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Trump’s political demise will come from the silent majority that is horrified by his behavior, not the rubes he conned. So it’s really a matter of crossing the rubes he conned. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/112 "2018-06-15T20:52:37Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > As someone else pointed out elsewhere, in the unlikely event that Trump does get impeached and imprisoned, it probably won’t be a general prison alongside of thieves and murderers and rapists, but rather, a very comfy resort-like prison for VIPs. Not a PMITA prison? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/113 "2018-06-15T21:28:58Z")
> [@Pazu](#): > > So it’s really a matter of crossing the rubes he conned. > > 😃 WHOA! That’s a beaut! _\_ ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/114 "2018-06-15T22:00:48Z")
> [@Pazu](#): > > So it’s really a matter of crossing the rubes he conned. > > 😃 Oh my gosh, that’s beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/115 "2018-06-16T05:04:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I mean, people get upset when they think the gummint is coming after their guns, but when the gummint takes away **children**? Even if it’s not their children… > > Tell me a spark of humanity still exists somewhere in the hearts of these people. Please. After thirty years of deliberate dehumanization of foreigners? No. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/116 "2018-06-17T22:57:38Z")
This is encouraging. **Why Southern Baptists giving Mike Pence a platform is so controversial** > **[Why Southern Baptists giving Mike Pence a platform is so controversial](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/06/13/why-southern-baptists-giving-mike-pence-a-platform-is-so-controversial/)** > > Southern Baptists have been happily hosting GOP leaders for decades. The push back against Mike Pence this week signals something new. > [@](#): > > …experts on conservative Christianity were wowed by the sight Tuesday of multiple Southern Baptist pastors trying — through the meeting’s formal procedures — to block Pence’s talk or, at least, pass a ban on inviting politicians tofuture annual meetings. > … > But historians say the effort was the first real controversy in the convention about a GOP speaker since the evangelist Billy Graham pushed for the invitation of President Richard M. Nixon in 1972 and reveals thesignificant upheaval among conservative evangelicals about President Trump and the mixing of partisan politics and religion. > > “For 35 years you could expect the Southern Baptist Convention to be pro-Republican in a nearly unanimous way. But 2016 means the relationship with the Republican Party for the Southern Baptist Convention has become problematic,” said Thomas Kidd, a history professor at Baylor University who has written books about American evangelicalism. > > The convention is a major force in conservative evangelicalism andrepresents the largest Protestant denomination in the country. > … ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/117 "2018-06-18T13:03:52Z")
This isn’t about turning the hard-core supporters (a lost cause IMHO), but about losing moderates who want the Party back. [Riling Up the Base May Backfire on Trump](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/opinion/trump-base-midterms-moderate-republicans.html?partner=rss&emc=rss) Opinion piece by a Democratic pollster. My bold. > [@](#): > > …Mr. Trump’s base strategy brands the Republican Party as sexist, racist, xenophobic and anti-immigrant, which magnifies the anti-Trump reaction among Democrats. **But it also leaves a tenth who are conservative Catholics and a fifth who are nonreligious conservatives more tentative in their support of the Republican Party — and it pushes away the quarter of Republicans who remain ideologically moderate.** The harder the president bangs these drums, the more Democrats become enraged and a segment of Republicans gets demoralized. The more he trashes and defeats his Republican opponents in primaries, the more these voters may contemplate different political options. > > Mr. Trump also based his presidential candidacy first on gathering Tea Party support and then on forming an alliance with evangelicals and other religious conservatives. This alliance represented a clear majority among primary voters. The Republican establishment, however, thought that Mr. Trump would fade and also underestimated both the strength of his Tea Party base and his ability to win over evangelicals. > > … > > And then President Trump surprised nearly all political analysts with his decision to govern as a militant Tea Party and evangelical conservative and to make this the heart of his strategy for the midterm elections. Each provocation and each dog whistle — if we can even call them that anymore — make Democrats even more determined to vote and to register their rejection of Mr. Trump’s remade Republican Party. > > … > > **But each provocation also produces a reaction in the non-Trump remnant of the Republican Party, and that is the political reaction most observers are missing. Moderate Republicans are much more likely than the rest of the party to be college graduates, to favor abortion rights, to be relaxed about gay marriage and Planned Parenthood, and to believe that climate change is a human-created problem. They were feeling homeless in the Republican Party even before Mr. Trump’s triumph.** > > … > > Mr. Trump’s base strategy has allowed him to take over the Republican Party and to marginalize and defeat those who will not get with the program, but it has also unified Democrats around their values and created an opportunity for anti-Trump Americans to engage with these Republican voters, even (and especially) if Mr. Trump will not. > > It may be as straightforward as reminding them why the Trumpified Republican Party needs to be repudiated in November. They may be looking for a genuinely conservative party. But these voters may also be open to voting for Democrats. > > After all, a quarter of moderates did defect from Mr. Trump in 2016, and they might be ready to vote for candidates who respect women, who are angry about the N.R.A. and school shootings, who believe climate change is real and who want a government that works for the middle class at least as hard as it does for the privileged. It may seem as if Mr. Trump has taken over the Republican Party completely, but it is not too late for all of us to benefit from the struggle to deny him total control. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/118 "2018-06-18T17:11:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This isn’t about turning the hard-core supporters (a lost cause IMHO), but about losing moderates who want the Party back. > > [Riling Up the Base May Backfire on Trump](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/opinion/trump-base-midterms-moderate-republicans.html?partner=rss&emc=rss) > > Opinion piece by a Democratic pollster. My bold. If only. The message to the fence sitters will be: “OMG, you want NANCY PELOSI!?!??” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/119 "2018-06-19T12:58:10Z")
Another one that I don’t know exactly where to post. But I guess it comes under the heading of “unexpected and gratifying places where opposition is coming from.” Looks like Jeffy Beauregard is in danger of being excommunicated from the Methodists. My emphasis below. **[Hundreds of United Methodist clergy bring church charges against Jeff Sessions](http://www.wsfa.com/story/38450661/faith-leaders-call-family-separation-cruel-and-detrimental)** > [@](#): > > MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) -According to the United Methodist News Service, more than 600 United Methodist Church clergy and laity say they are bringing church law charges against U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions related to the “zero tolerance” policy and resulting separation of families along the Mexico border. > > In a complaint Monday, the group from the UMC accused Sessions of child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of the doctrine of the United Methodist Church. > > “However, an authority on church history and polity said he’s unaware of a complaint against a lay person ever moving past the district level,” the United Methodist News Service stated. > > … > > The church complaint says \*\*Sessions, who is a member of Ashland Methodist Church in Mobile and active participant at Clarendon UMC in Arlington, VA, has a unique combination of social and political power that calls for “some degree of accountability.” \*\* > > “While other individuals and areas of the federal government are implicated in each of these examples, \*\*Mr. Sessions - as a long-term United Methodist in a tremendously powerful, public position - is particularly accountable to us, his church. He is ours, and we are his,” \*\*the complaint states. “As his denomination, we have an ethical obligation to speak boldly when one of our members is engaged in causing significant harm in matters contrary to the Discipline on the global stage.” > … I say we bring back the [stocks and pillory](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-william-prynne-a-puritan-lawyer-in-the-pillory-in-1634-he-was-fined-87359342.html). Yeah, this was more of a Puritan thing, but hey, the Methodists can borrow it. I’d love to see Jeffy pilloried on the cover of TIME magazine. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963/120 "2018-06-26T02:39:08Z")
This might get some attention. I’m guessing there are some Harley riders among thump supporters. **Harley-Davidson, Blaming E.U. Tariffs, Will Move Some Production Out of U.S.** > **[Harley-Davidson, Blaming E.U. Tariffs, Will Move Some Production Out of U.S....](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/business/harley-davidson-us-eu-tariffs.html)** > > The iconic motorcycle manufacturer said that the move was the “only sustainable option” to maintain its business in Europe, an increasingly vital market. > [@](#): > > …While Mr. Trump says his trade policy is aimed at reviving domestic manufacturing, Harley-Davidson’s move shows how the White House approach could backfire as American companies increasingly rely on overseas markets for materials, production and sales. > … Just hafta figure out how to blame this on Obama. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-make-trumps-base-supporters-turn-on-him/814963.md?page=7)