# What would Ponzi Jesus Do? He'd go Full Tilt and Scheme on my Social Security! SDMB Poker, 4th Qtr. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 3, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483 "2011-10-03T21:40:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/21 "2011-11-04T03:25:25Z")
After a 30 minute heads up battle with Mental Guy, I finally managed not to piss a win away. 1. Dag 2. Mental 3. Mensa 4. Ghost 5. Missy 6. Frosty 7. Yeti 8. Crane 9. Bootis And welcome Bootis! I dub Yeti ‘Poopyhead’. I’m sure it will grow on him. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/22 "2011-11-04T22:47:46Z")
Only because I dubbed you “Bulltard.” (Bully+Bastard…Riverin’ Bastard) ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/23 "2011-11-05T21:23:11Z")
Bumping the thread. If anyone wants to play in tonights PLO/PLH game, I plan to sign up. or if somebody want to do something different, I can set up another game. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/24 "2011-11-07T01:03:55Z")
Standings: 1 MentalGuy 87.6 2 Dag Otto 70.9 3 Craneop2 57.4 4 notfrommensa 54.5 5 Yeticus Rex 52.5 6 asterion 52.2 7 MissTake 52.1 8 cutebut dumb 44.7 9 Meeko 38.2 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/25 "2011-11-10T23:24:20Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Bumping the thread. If anyone wants to play in tonights PLO/PLH game, I plan to sign up. > > or if somebody want to do something different, I can set up another game. Crazy Pineapple. - I could probably play tonight, but I need the time to do other things. The 17th looks good for me, however. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/26 "2011-11-11T04:26:15Z")
I guess nobody told MrBootis he gets the honor of posting results: 9 NFM 8 yeti 7 crane 6 missy 5 astbot 4 MG 3 dag 2 gray 1 MrBootis - from the outhouse to the penthouse! standings: 1 MentalGuy 85.0 2 Dag Otto 70.8 3 Gray Ghost 61.5 4 Craneop2 52.9 5 asterion 51.7 6 MissTake 50.3 7 notfrommensa 49.0 8 Yeticus Rex 47.3 9 cutebut dumb 44.7 10 Meeko 38.2 ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/27 "2011-11-18T00:19:59Z")
Thursday evening bump. Come join us everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/28 "2011-11-18T04:12:08Z")
Results from the Thursday tourney: 9: Dag 8: Mrs. Crane 7: Yeti 6: Mensa 5: Frosted Glass 4: Ast 3: Missy 2: Mental Guy 1: Me Very long, very tense heads up finale, in which I got way more than my share of cards. I’m sure the overall results will be up soon. See you all next Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/29 "2011-11-18T05:01:16Z")
First televised Illini game of the season tonight, and I’ve seen what happens when I try to multitask… I thought Missy might break through tonight, and third is a step up. A huge jump for Gray, and Frosty becomes standings-eligible with his third tourney. All of which is secondary as MG continues his slaughter of this quarter: 1 MentalGuy 84.3 2 Gray Ghost 72.5 3 Dag Otto 65.7 4 Frosted Glass 59.9 5 MissTake 53.7 6 asterion 53.5 7 Craneop2 52.9 8 notfrommensa 47.8 9 Yeticus Rex 44.7 10 cutebut dumb 44.7 11 Meeko 38.2 Anybody got a bad beat story that we can laugh at? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/30 "2011-11-18T20:14:44Z")
Pretty sure Ghost got me on a river straight…but I didn’t take notes…I just cried like a little bitch instead. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/31 "2011-11-19T03:20:17Z")
Apologies if already answered: - How long do these typically run to heads-up? - I don’t AIM. Would you strongly prefer I AIM? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/32 "2011-11-19T05:41:31Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Apologies if already answered: > > - How long do these typically run to heads-up? > - I don’t AIM. Would you strongly prefer I AIM? > > Thanks! The Thursday tournaments start at 9:05 Central and typically go roughly 1 hour. Sometimes as long as 1 hour 15 minutes. Maybe we’ve gone past 10:30, once? Twice? The vast majority of the chat is conducted over AIM. It’s not obligatory to chat; not like we collude, or even kibbutz that much about the play. Usually it’s just a way to visit and share different stuff about our week. I only break out AIM when I’m playing with this group. Yeti, I’m not sure if I knocked you out, or how I did it. I have a so-so memory for how the hands played out, one reason I’m so irritated about Stars yanking our hand histories. I think I had an open-ender on the flop in your case and either had the right implied odds to keep going or I vaguely remember checking it back on the turn. The straight I cooled Dag with, I had on the flop. Sarc/ Does anybody ever really win with Aces? /sarc. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/33 "2011-11-22T15:34:44Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Sarc/ Does anybody ever really win with Aces? /sarc. NO. Whenever I have Aces, you all freakin’ fold. Weenies. Same bet, but I have a crap hand? Ohh, let’s all bet our pants! ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/34 "2011-11-22T16:31:31Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > NO. Whenever I have Aces, you all freakin’ fold. Weenies. Same bet, but I have a crap hand? Ohh, let’s all bet our pants! Well, if everyone folds, it’s still a win… It is incredibly annoying to be patient, waiting for good cards, finally flop a set, and have no one want to play with you. Just speaking for me, but whenever you lead the betting, I have a very narrow range of hands that I’m putting you on (JJ+, AJs+, AKo). Consequently, I either need the prospect of great odds, actual or implied, or a great hand myself in order to continue. Hopefully, I’ve both. Cards question for everyone: why have the cool kids in tournament play (as evidenced from WSOP histories and discussed hands at places like 2+2) gone from the ‘traditional’ (3+n)x open/raise to a 2x or 2.2x? Is it to allow more room in their stacks for crazy preflop 3,4,and 5-betting? It seems like only raising 2.2x gives such good pot odds to the blinds that they’d almost be obligated to call and take a flop, even considering their bad position post-flop. I know that ‘call’ seems to be a dirty word to people these days, but why not take a flop with those odds and re-assess? It’s a contrast from posts I read about cash games where 5 and 10x opens are much more common. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/35 "2011-11-22T17:50:02Z")
I watched Daniel Negreanu play an online tournament. I don’t remember him limping, but everytime he opened the pot, it was 2x the BB. No variation at all. The 3 bet happens so often that if a player does make a 3 bet on top of a 2x BB Open that the player can get away from the hand if necessary . . . . or make a 4 bet if he has a really good hand. So in a way a 2x BB open might be to encourage the 3 bet. It gets hairy when someone calls the 2x and then someone 3 bets. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/36 "2011-11-22T17:54:08Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Apologies if already answered: > > - How long do these typically run to heads-up? > - I don’t AIM. Would you strongly prefer I AIM? > > Thanks! Depending on the participation, the whole game last about 75 minutes. 5-10 minutes is typical for the heads up. Come join us, ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/37 "2011-11-22T21:01:24Z")
But this Thursday is gonna be a very light game, IMHO… I’m gonna be eating at 7pm PST… ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/38 "2011-11-23T01:17:35Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Depending on the participation, the whole game last about 75 minutes. 5-10 minutes is typical for the heads up. > > Come join us, nm! figured out where to get the download. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/39 "2011-11-23T04:02:39Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > But this Thursday is gonna be a very light game, IMHO… > > I’m gonna be eating at 7pm PST… yes, I doubt if we have a game this Thursday. Last winter, we had games on Saturday. We haven’t been to get our ducks in a row on Saturday yet this winter. I wouldn’t mind a game on Sunday afternoons either if anyone wants to play. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483/40 "2011-11-23T16:00:56Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I watched Daniel Negreanu play an online tournament. I don’t remember him limping, but everytime he opened the pot, it was 2x the BB. No variation at all. > > The 3 bet happens so often that if a player does make a 3 bet on top of a 2x BB Open that the player can get away from the hand if necessary . . . . or make a 4 bet if he has a really good hand. > > So in a way a 2x BB open might be to encourage the 3 bet. It gets hairy when someone calls the 2x and then someone 3 bets. I read his treatise on “small ball”, where he talks about the benefits of 2.5x raises. I think it was written when 3-betting was less common, and one main benefit was seeing a cheap flop, especially where he thought his post-flop skills were far superior to his opponents’ (and the light raise could let him come in with a wider range of hands). I wonder if the drop to 2x was because people re-raise so much these days, particularly online? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-ponzi-jesus-do-hed-go-full-tilt-and-scheme-on-my-social-security-sdmb-poker-4th-qtr/598483.md?page=3)