# What would you like to see in the Enterprise Season Four Premiere? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952 "2004-05-19T13:08:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobelia\_Overhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@Lobelia\_Overhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobelia_Overhill)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/21 "2004-05-20T22:40:43Z")
I read somewhere (in a Star Trek book - not a novel) that the Klingons used genetic engineering to produce flat fore-headed Klingons to allow them to infiltrate human outposts and the like. Which I thought was a pretty clever reasoning … ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/22 "2004-05-21T01:50:38Z")
I like your idea of ENT being a parallel universe with only minimal changes to it. I’ve said in the past that I would hate any sort of reset button episode ending the series (even though I’ve mellowed towards it recently) so this would make the show the best of both worlds. Trek, but not quite, and with more freedom. I like it. And now that I realize what you are saying about Klingons, I hate it and always have, even when I first read about the same apologist theory a decade ago. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/23 "2004-05-21T04:01:40Z")
Totally Nekked Trip. Chef’s face. The rest of Phlox’s wives and kids and other husbands. Trip and Archer fighting. Hoshi and Travis making out. Reed fighting with Travis over Hoshi. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/24 "2004-05-21T04:38:51Z")
I blame everything on Edith Keeler. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/25 "2004-05-27T13:23:21Z")
Well, I wasn’t going to say Nazis, that’s for sure… but I’m willing to see where they go with it. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/26 "2004-05-27T13:49:00Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > The writers **can** use FC to justify changing things up. That’s the beauty of it. I think giving us a close alternate of the Trek universe’s past is more interesting than giving us the “real” thing, because of the number of things we already know about the “real” timeline. Besides… all we know is what we see. We know Enterprise has Romulans with cloaking devices and Klingons with ridges. We can either whine about it, or attempt to find a plausible explanation. > > The brow ridges… hm, let me rephrase and expand. > > Either A.) Ridgeless is the natural Klingon state or B.) it was induced for some purpose. > > If A, then it appears that between TOS and ST:TMP Klingons gave themselves ridges. Perhaps the ridges are merely an outward manifestation of some genetic engineering they performed on themselves to make themselves stronger. If this is the case, then Enterprise could have Klingons with ridges because the genetic modifications were introduced earlier in this alternate timeline. > > If B, then we need to know why the hell they removed their ridges for a while, then put them back. However, in this case, we can assume that in Enterprise’s timeline they never bothered with it … OR that originally, they removed the ridges in 2160 (or other abritrary date after the current date of ENT) and they just hadn’t gotten to it by the time of Broken Bow, and the accidental first contact. > > I blame the writers of DS9 … while Worf’s refusal to discuss the changes in Klingon appearance was amusing, it missed out on a chance to put a stake through the heart of the biggest retcon in the history of the Trek universe once and for all. I would blame the make-up guys for ST:TMP, but I can only assume that Roddenberry approved the changes… and one must admit, the ridgey Klingons look better. Could someone please fill me in. What is ST:TMP? I heard about a movie or episode that had Worf reluctant to explain the ridges thing, but never saw it. Is it really just a DS9 episode? (A series I never watched) Or was it a movie? What happened exactly where Worf would be put in the position of having to explain it? Thanks and sorry for the noob questions. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/27 "2004-05-27T13:50:44Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Well, I wasn’t going to say Nazis, that’s for sure… but I’m willing to see where they go with it. I know what you mean. My reaction was oh, you’ve got to be kidding… but I’ll still watch next season. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/28 "2004-05-27T13:53:09Z")
> [@BrianJ2](#): > > Could someone please fill me in. What is ST:TMP? I heard about a movie or episode that had Worf reluctant to explain the ridges thing, but never saw it. Is it really just a DS9 episode? (A series I never watched) Or was it a movie? > > What happened exactly where Worf would be put in the position of having to explain it? > > Thanks and sorry for the noob questions. 🙂 No troubles. TMP is Star Trek : The Motion Picture. The first one. Worf was questioned about Klingon appearance in the Deep Space Nine episode “Trials and Tribbilations” … which had select members of the DS9 crew travelling back in time to prevent another time traveler from changing history… They travelled to the same space station depicted in the Star Trek original series episode “The Trouble with Tribbles.” - The DS9 episode even incorporated footage from “The Trouble with Tribbles.” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/29 "2004-05-27T17:08:17Z")
TNG, DS9, and VOY all managed to stay within canon (for the most part), even throwing in little things they didn’t have as a homage of sorts. Check the Trek Ency for numerous minor details. ENT could’ve followed the established pattern. But, they went with the Time Travel angle. Apparantly tptb think that holds the best chance for maintaining their hold on the franchise. And, let’s face it, since _Broken Bow_ we have been stuck with ENT being a time travel show. So…, let’s make the best of it. Get Quantum and company into all sorts of temporal cold war situations. And since they are promising mini arcs, expand on the stories. They don’t have to resolve in 42 minutes of script, they can use a whole show for the climax, fer cryin’ out loud. One big change I wish they would make is to open the script/story submissions to more than just their in group. Actively seek out some new blood. Hell, even certain of the books could be reworked to fit ENT if we’re gonna stay in temporal flux. I love Trek. I like most of ENT. I even like a (well executed) time travel reset button effect and cause change up. What I don’t like is refusing to let others be creative. ACCEPT SUBMISSIONS, BERGAMA! Maybe some new blood is all Trek needs. Not even neccessarily an exec produ change up. Just new ideas, new scripts, a fresh eye. It CAN be done. ---
**Author:** ![bughunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@bughunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bughunter)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/30 "2004-05-27T21:13:31Z")
I’d like to see an apology for the last three minutes of the season finale, with the producers standing in front of the camera saying “we’re sorry we thought for even a second that we wouldn’t be insulting your intelligence by going with **evil alien Nazis from the future**.” Christ… this show didn’t just jump the shark, it jumped a frickin’ pool of sharks, alligators, pirahnas, and man-eating lions. With a drop of blood added. At least there’s still Stargate SG-1 for those of us who don’t have the SciFi Channel. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/31 "2004-05-28T00:42:45Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > No troubles. > > TMP is Star Trek : The Motion Picture. The first one. > > Worf was questioned about Klingon appearance in the Deep Space Nine episode “Trials and Tribbilations” … which had select members of the DS9 crew travelling back in time to prevent another time traveler from changing history… > > They travelled to the same space station depicted in the Star Trek original series episode “The Trouble with Tribbles.” - The DS9 episode even incorporated footage from “The Trouble with Tribbles.” Cool, thanks for the info! I’ll have to check the video store for that one. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/32 "2004-05-28T00:58:44Z")
I thought the first “Star Trek” movie was better than most give it credit for. The creepy sound they played every time V’Ger was on the screen was way cool. And although the plot WAS a tad slow, I liked the fact that they took the time to set the mood. Maybe if they’d had someone besides sissy-boy Stephen Collins playing Decker, more people would like the movie. Well, I would have. I can barely think of anything I’ve ever liked him in. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/33 "2004-05-28T01:11:18Z")
TMP is a hundred times worse than TFF (V). Worst. Trek. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/34 "2004-05-28T12:22:17Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > TMP is a hundred times worse than TFF (V). > > Worst. Trek. Ever. Wow. That’s a bold statement, there. Have you seen the Director’s Cut version, Aes? ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/35 "2004-05-28T13:03:12Z")
Interesting that they both use the TNG theme as their opening credits music, ne? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/36 "2004-05-28T14:54:39Z")
I don’t own any of the Trek movies; I hadn’t yet upgraded from VHS to DVD when I moved in January so I just sold them all off for the spare cash. I’ll eventually buy all ten movies (and Trekkies I and II) on DVD but only because I’m a completist. I will not watch _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_ again unless my family is taken hostage by religious zealots and that is the only way to prevent their deaths. And maybe not even then. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/37 "2004-05-28T15:02:36Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I don’t own any of the Trek movies; I hadn’t yet upgraded from VHS to DVD when I moved in January so I just sold them all off for the spare cash. I’ll eventually buy all ten movies (and Trekkies I and II) on DVD but only because I’m a completist. I will not watch _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_ again unless my family is taken hostage by religious zealots and that is the only way to prevent their deaths. > > And maybe not even then. I would humbly suggest you give the Director’s Cut at least one shot to convert you. I thought TMP was pretty much the worst of them until I saw the Director’s Cut… I felt the flow of the film was much improved. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/38 "2004-05-28T15:17:39Z")
Convert me? Interesting choice of words considering my post before yours. I think I need to call my mom. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/39 "2004-05-28T15:35:45Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Convert me? Interesting choice of words considering my post before yours. > > I think I need to call my mom. Heh. Didn’t even think about that. You will submit to the will of the Decker Imperative. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2004, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952/40 "2004-05-30T07:16:29Z")
The last episode of Season Three made a big point of Shran’s exclamation that Archer owes him one. I hope that, at some point in Season Four, Shran makes Archer come along on a mission that requires him to engage in more ethically questionable behavior, like using the airlock to threaten suspects or stealing warp cores. And, speaking of warp cores, I hope that civilization comes around looking for answers and vengeance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-enterprise-season-four-premiere/245952.md?page=3)