# What would you offer Hillary if you were Obama? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 3, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595 "2008-06-03T05:48:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/41 "2008-06-03T19:56:12Z")
[QUOTE=iturntoyou] Hillary is only staying in the race cause she’s vindictive, not of Obama. Look Obama can’t win. He only got the nomination by winning in states that are going to vote Republican in the general election (save his home state). Every state Bush won in 04, McCain will win, and Obama couldn’t beat Hillary in the industrial north, how’s he gonna win them in the general election. What does this mean? Hillary knows he’ll lose and he will. She is set to run again in 2012 and this way she knows what she has to do for next time and she knows who her allies are. All these people that abandoned the Clintons will be on the “s-list” if Hillary gets the nomination in 2012, which she is likely to since Obama will lose in 2008 and he can’t run again, well he can but no one want to re-nominate a loser. I don’t believe Hillary could win in Nov 2008 either but Obama would be smarter to drop out let Hillary try and lose then he could re-run in 2012 after he’s gained strength. So Hillary is defining her “enemies” who once supported her and she’ll use that for the 2012 run. Obviously Obama and/or Hillary cut a deal with John Edward, come on the guy drops out BEFORE the super Tuesday primary? Why, because both Hillary and Obama made a deal with him. Should Obama win look for Edwards to become Attorny General. [/QUOTE] Oh please. Hillary’s done. And if Obama doesn’t hand her the VP slot she’s doubly done. No one is going to want to go through this with her again in 2012. She’s shown her colors. She’s in it for herself and some misplaced feeling of entitlement. Good riddance. I wonder how many of you folks who are so sure Obama won’t win the presidency will come back here in November and admit you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/42 "2008-06-03T19:57:02Z")
[QUOTE=iturntoyou] Hillary is only staying in the race cause she’s vindictive, not of Obama. Look Obama can’t win. He only got the nomination by winning in states that are going to vote Republican in the general election (save his home state). Every state Bush won in 04, McCain will win, and Obama couldn’t beat Hillary in the industrial north, how’s he gonna win them in the general election. [/QUOTE] Your argument is the same as Hillary’s — lacking imagination and living in the past. Obama’s plan (and one reason he has been so attractive to superdelegates) is to change the traditional map so that Democrats can win, specifically Colorado, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia. Those total 66 electoral votes. The future is not in the Rust Belt, where population is leaching away. It’s in the South, with independents, entrepreneurs, and professionals. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/43 "2008-06-03T20:06:32Z")
Offer Hillary? And here I thought appeasement was frowned upon? I think the best Hillary can hope for, at this point, is regaining her respect and clout in the Senate. It will be up to her to do that too, by campaigning vigorously for the Democrats and Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/44 "2008-06-03T20:07:59Z")
[QUOTE=iturntoyou] Hillary is only staying in the race cause she’s vindictive, not of Obama. Look Obama can’t win. He only got the nomination by winning in states that are going to vote Republican in the general election (save his home state). Every state Bush won in 04, McCain will win, and Obama couldn’t beat Hillary in the industrial north, how’s he gonna win them in the general election. What does this mean? Hillary knows he’ll lose and he will. She is set to run again in 2012 and this way she knows what she has to do for next time and she knows who her allies are. All these people that abandoned the Clintons will be on the “s-list” if Hillary gets the nomination in 2012, which she is likely to since Obama will lose in 2008 and he can’t run again, well he can but no one want to re-nominate a loser. . [/QUOTE] Backward thinking get’s people one way and one way only…backwards. There are more registered democrats right now in all 50 states who are ABSOLUTLEY not going to vote for a republican administration, than there are republicans to get McCain in. Guess what - McCain tried this once before and lost…it’s going to happen again. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/45 "2008-06-03T20:23:18Z")
[Clinton says she’s open to taking the VP spot.](http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/ap-clinton-says-shes-open-to-being-obamas-vp-candidate/) Really did not see that coming. Why would she want it?! ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/46 "2008-06-03T20:35:53Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Your argument is the same as Hillary’s — lacking imagination and living in the past. Obama’s plan (and one reason he has been so attractive to superdelegates) is to change the traditional map so that Democrats can win, specifically Colorado, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia. Those total 66 electoral votes. The future is not in the Rust Belt, where population is leaching away. It’s in the South, with independents, entrepreneurs, and professionals. [/QUOTE] So you’re going to concede MI, OH, PA, NJ, WI, MN (total 93 electoral votes) and labor /working people to McCain. Brilliant. I can see the second coming of Reagan Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/47 "2008-06-03T20:44:32Z")
[QUOTE=kevja] So you’re going to concede MI, OH, PA, NJ, WI, MN (total 93 electoral votes) and labor /working people to McCain. [/QUOTE] That’s a pretty weird comment. The post you’re defending was worried about red states. Democrats have won MI, MN, WI, PA, and NJ in the last four presidential elections. Those are blue states. Democrats won OH twice. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/48 "2008-06-03T20:46:50Z")
[QUOTE=kevja] I can see the second coming of Reagan Democrats. [/QUOTE] Other than hardcore racists, I **don’t** think we’re going to see very many McCain Democrats this year; and there will be a **lot** of Obama Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/49 "2008-06-03T20:51:00Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] The POTUS can not offer seniority, but the leader of the Democratic Party might. He can’t give it to her, but he can make his feelings known in support of it. [/QUOTE] Yup. Just ask Trent Lott and Bill Frist about what a difference a friend in the Oval Office can make. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/50 "2008-06-03T21:03:04Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] How about Press Secretary? [/QUOTE] The thing about Press Secretary is that they have to lie and dissemble. She’d be very good at that, but then she’d just continue and start making up shit – like the time she gave a briefing on the East Lawn under sniper fire. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, if God forbid he offers her VP (and loses some of my respect), he should offer Bill, not Ambassador to the UN, but create a position of Ambassodor to the World – someone to actively go around the world helping to rebuild the United States’ reputation. Definitely keep him traveling outside the country for eight years to minimize his meddling and grandstanding in D.C. (Bill could get all the side action he wants.) Otherwise, Obama owes Hillary nothing, in cluding paying off the self-imposed debt of her in-the-red campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/51 "2008-06-03T21:05:16Z")
[QUOTE=iturntoyou] So Hillary is defining her “enemies” who once supported her and she’ll use that for the 2012 run. [/QUOTE] You don’t get to be POTUS by making enemies of your former allies. Election to high office is the politics of additon, not subtraction. She’s going to spend the next four years mending fences with those former allies and hoping that they will support her the next time around. If she spent her time alienating the lot, she’d very quickly find herself marginalized and discarded by the political machine. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/52 "2008-06-03T21:12:35Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Other than hardcore racists, I **don’t** think we’re going to see very many McCain Democrats this year. [/QUOTE] …I feel this bears repeating. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/53 "2008-06-03T21:14:44Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Not a damn thing but a handshake and a smile. [/QUOTE] Not even a reacharound? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/54 "2008-06-03T21:17:22Z")
He should drop out of the race and offer to support her. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/55 "2008-06-03T21:19:35Z")
[QUOTE=Lanzy] He should drop out of the race and offer to support her. [/QUOTE] (??) ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/56 "2008-06-03T21:22:43Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] And I’d skip the handshake. And the smile. [/QUOTE] Ah, but it’s an evil grin. And I’m palming [this](http://www.hawkin.com/Assets/HawkinsBazaar/Client/products/0/4/1/04145_a_t.jpg). 😃 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/57 "2008-06-03T22:25:36Z")
To rephrase the OP, do you think it would be in Obama’s _interest_ to offer her a position in exchange for her campaigning for him? She does have a lot of supporters she could possibly sway to his side. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/58 "2008-06-03T22:27:56Z")
Depends on the position. VP? No way. That would be making a bargain with the devil. I would reconsider my support for Obama if he offered her the VP slot. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/59 "2008-06-03T23:11:05Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Depends on the position. VP? No way. That would be making a bargain with the devil. I would reconsider my support for Obama if he offered her the VP slot. [/QUOTE] [You aren’t the only one](http://thepage.time.com/2008/06/03/the-final-exits/). > [@](#): > > Most South Dakota Democrats want Obama to choose Clinton as VP; **but most Obama supporters say no**. ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-you-offer-hillary-if-you-were-obama/451595/60 "2008-06-03T23:29:32Z")
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