# What would your haka response be? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 13, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065 "2015-07-13T16:42:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/61 "2015-07-16T14:07:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You anti-haka folks need to get your stories straight. **Novelty Bobble** argued that NZ are being indulged because they get to do the haka _on the pitch_. Now they’re being indulged because they _didn’t_ do it on the pitch? no, you are wrong. I don’t have a particular problem with them doing it on the pitch as part of their own warm-up. Nothing stopping them and I wouldn’t want to. I think they are being indulged by their insistence that they get do it at a point in the official proceedings that suits them best. What I’ve said is exactly in line with **amanset** ’s comments > [@](#): > > I agree, for the record, that not doing the haka properly was childish. But it’s a great tradition and I hope they (and Tonga, et al.) keep doing it in perpetuity. As a kid who grew up brown in a white country, it was pretty much the only time I saw white people tipping their hat to the culture of a brown people. I don’t think there is any need to play a race card here. This is nothing to do with race and it poisons the well somewhat to bring it up. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/62 "2015-07-16T14:16:08Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You anti-haka folks need to get your stories straight. **Novelty Bobble** argued that NZ are being indulged because they get to do the haka _on the pitch_. Now they’re being indulged because they _didn’t_ do it on the pitch? They’ve been indulged because one of the few times someone wanted to do something else they refused to do it in public. They’ve been indulged because people have just let them do it because they get all upset if they don’t get to do it on exactly their terms. And the hissy fit is a sign of their sense of entitlement. This isn’t rocket science. Anyway, just to say it again, the Haka doesn’t really bother me. I’m a Rugby guy, I started playing at junior school and, hell, I grew up in Warwickshire, going to school just outside Rugby. Rugby’s in my blood. But that doesn’t mean I can’t see a bit of hypocrisy here and there. What I have posted here is more in reaction to a certain Kiwi’s amusing overreaction. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/63 "2015-07-16T14:17:58Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I don’t think there is any need to play a race card here. This is nothing to do with race and it poisons the well somewhat to bring it up. I am not saying “they have to do the haka because raaaace,” I’m saying that’s one of the reasons I appreciate it so much. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/64 "2015-07-16T14:58:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I am not saying “they have to do the haka because raaaace,” I’m saying that’s one of the reasons I appreciate it so much. Fair enough, that aspect of it holds particular significance for you. My concern would be if race/culture gets used as tool for shutting down any valid criticism of a practice. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/65 "2015-07-17T01:37:10Z")
I see a lot of jealousy and tall poppy syndrome… But there you go… ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/66 "2015-07-17T02:06:28Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I see a lot of jealousy and tall poppy syndrome… > But there you go… jealousy of what? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/67 "2015-07-17T07:33:26Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I see a lot of jealousy and tall poppy syndrome… > But there you go… Not that tall a poppy though is it? You’ve reached as many RWC finals as France, England and Australia, You’ve won the same number as the aussies and sithifriker. You have a really good rugby team (and consistently good) but that makes you a useful yardstick to be measured by, not a source of jealousy, what a strange notion. And…I’m finding it increasingly amusing that you don’t answer the simple question I keep putting to you. Even more amusing is that you don’t even acknowledge the fact that I’ve asked you, quality evasion. I’ll not stop trying though, I’ll even simplify the question. “would you be happy for the haka to be done during the warm-up time out on the pitch and for the anthems to be the last thing done before kick-off. If not…why not?” ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/68 "2015-07-17T08:01:13Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > jealousy of what? Yeah. Wahey, you get to do a war dance before the game. We invented the sport. I think we win. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![eclectic\_wench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac91a4/32.png) [@eclectic\_wench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eclectic_wench)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/69 "2015-07-17T13:17:31Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I see a lot of jealousy and tall poppy syndrome… > But there you go… Dude. If you’re over 14, please, stop with the ‘You’re all just JELLUS!!!’ thing. It’s really embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![Pabitel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@Pabitel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pabitel)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/70 "2015-07-17T16:31:33Z")
And I though American sports traditions were silly. This makes face painting and cheese hats look downright sensible. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/71 "2015-07-17T16:43:31Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I see a lot of jealousy and tall poppy syndrome… > But there you go… Gives that you’re the person who once claimed it was deeply offensive to use the term “kiwi” to refer to the fruit known in most of the English-speaking world as, well, a “kiwi,” you may wish to consider the possibility that you are a little too sensitive. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/72 "2015-07-18T13:38:53Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Gives that you’re the person who once claimed it was deeply offensive to use the term “kiwi” to refer to the fruit known in most of the English-speaking world as, well, a “kiwi,” you may wish to consider the possibility that you are a little too sensitive. Did I say “deeply offensive” in relation to thiat? it bugs the everloving shit outta me that the fruit is a 'Kiwi" - but I don’t recall it being deeply offensive… ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/73 "2015-07-18T13:41:59Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Not that tall a poppy though is it? You’ve reached as many RWC finals as France, England and Australia, You’ve won the same number as the aussies and sithifriker. > > You have a really good rugby team (and consistently good) but that makes you a useful yardstick to be measured by, not a source of jealousy, what a strange notion. > > And…I’m finding it increasingly amusing that you don’t answer the simple question I keep putting to you. Even more amusing is that you don’t even acknowledge the fact that I’ve asked you, quality evasion. > > I’ll not stop trying though, I’ll even simplify the question. > > “would you be happy for the haka to be done during the warm-up time out on the pitch and for the anthems to be the last thing done before kick-off. If not…why not?” It would feel “wrong” to me… The Haka is a challenge - it feels out of place to do it before the anthems - it feels more natural to do it immediately before the game starts And like I have said many many times - and like many other teams do - if you have a similar history and culture - you are more than welcome to respond to the haka - If you wanna don bells and do a morris dance have at it… ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/74 "2015-07-18T13:43:45Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > jealousy of what? Jealousy of the single most successful team in world rugby - do you really want me to look up the win loss record and the world rankings? World cup aside - the All Blacks undisputedly dominate world rugby ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/75 "2015-07-18T14:34:35Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Jealousy of the single most successful team in world rugby - > do you really want me to look up the win loss record and the world rankings? I don’t follow rugby at all, so there’s nothing for me to be jealous of. save your effort. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/76 "2015-07-19T02:29:08Z")
Oh, that was rugby? I honestly thought it was soccer or Australian Rules football or something. I had no idea rugby was a thing outside of prep schools. I still think our tradition of hot women in skimpy outfits talking smack is superior. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2015, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/77 "2015-07-19T11:05:30Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Jealousy of the single most successful team in world rugby - > do you really want me to look up the win loss record and the world rankings? > > World cup aside - the All Blacks undisputedly dominate world rugby You should just be thankful that we allow you to play our sport. Maybe we’d have dominated one of yours if you had the ability to come up with one of your own. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/78 "2015-07-20T13:38:19Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Did I say “deeply offensive” in relation to thiat? You compared it to calling a black person a “nigger.” ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/79 "2015-09-16T05:36:18Z")
With the world cup about to start, the ["Hakarena"](http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/72112380/former-england-halfback-matt-dawson-mocks-all-blacks-with-the-hakarena)has been…um…not sure what you called it, But it did give me a chuckle… The article says “mocks” - but I don’t think that’s the right term either, Seems more a case of “ineffectually tries to talk trash”… ---
**Author:** ![stui\_magpie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stui_magpie/32/11010_2.png) [@stui\_magpie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stui_magpie)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065/80 "2015-09-16T05:44:59Z")
Bit of a p155 take. [aussie haka - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlGDa5mx28) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-haka-response-be/725065.md?page=3)