Whatever happened to horror movies?

Good, but not great. The bit with the elevator is very effective, but the love story’s kind of sappy. The last fifteen minutes comes completely out of the blue and packs a wallop.

The general point is still true, though. Horror has been distilled into two primary subgenres: action (example, which will suck) and slasher. Movies of the first type appeal to males up to thirty years old; movies of the second type, oddly, are intended as date flicks. Occasionally somebody tries to do something new with it, but usually it comes off as a pastiche. (Though that example gives the lie to the “supernatural monster” rule.)

I think what people are forgetting is that horror should horrify. That doesn’t mean startle, or nauseate; anybody can jump out from behind a door and throw guts at you. Deliberately and specificially attacking one’s comfortable assumptions and illusions, and planting a seed of doubt and discomfort that stays with you for the next few days or weeks, is actually really difficult.

And besides, most people don’t enjoy this. Think about the movies that really do try to get under your skin and leave scars; they tend to be rejected by the mainstream and get labeled boring and/or stupid (e.g., Kubrick’s The Shining). Most folks prefer something disposable like Ghost Ship or whatever; rather than subverting one’s view of the world, it tends to reinforce it and, perversely, provide comfort to the audience. In a bizarre way, the modern “horror” movie does for its viewer just what the romantic comedy does. The true horror movie is rejected by the mainstream audience just as much as the romantic comedy with a sad ending, and the studios, seeking the almighty dollar of said mainstream, no longer make that kind of movie.

That’s not to say nobody makes movies that are capable of horrifying us. Audition, offered by lissener, is very successful at freaking us out, even though the movie may be criticized on other grounds. I’d also suggest the neo-noir King of the Ants as the most horrifying movie I’ve seen this year; it has no monsters other than humans, but it’s got fear and dread like nobody’s business. Basically it’s a revenge tale among a group of lowlife criminal goons, and an innocent who gets swept up in their scheme but eventually seeks to outdo all of them. It’s loaded with violence, as is any horror movie these days, but the thing is, it’s not easy violence; it’s truly cringe-inducing. There’s a scene of torture that’s the sadistic equal of anything in Audition, and is all the more horrifying for the apparent amusement the torturers feel at their acts. And for this reason, you aren’t going to see the film released in your local megaplex. It may pop up in a rare arthouse, but basically it’s headed for the cult shelf of a handful of obscure independent video shops.

I guess what I’m saying is that true horror is no longer the province of the “horror movie.” To find the same emotional qualities, you have to go pretty far afield. Every now and then something comes along that looks promising, but more often than not it just turns out to be unredeemable shit.

I think kingpengvin has a few darn good points here. First of all, that whole “sophistication” thing is a load of hooey. I don’t have cites handy, but I’m quite sure that the current output of the domestic film industry and the number of films that the average viewer sees per year are actually far LOWER than they were in the 20s, 30s, and 40s. If anything, the original viewers of “classic” horror films had probably seen MORE films, and paid closer attention to them, than the viewers of today.

And speaking of those viewers, kingpengvin again hit in passing on an excellent point; films used to be made for actual grownups. Even “family” films were aimed primarily at the older family members; recently, that trend has tragically reversed, and almost every mass-market film is directed at teenagers, in the belief that they disburse the bulk of the money spent at the box office.

I believe that the erstwhile Pauline Kael made the incisive connection between a perceived drop in the quality of cinema and the reporting of weekly boxoffice numbers. I think there’s a damn good argument there, and a concept that can be used to separate a lot of the wheat from the chaff, particularly in horror films. The best (Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Bride of Frankenstein, Night of the Living Dead, Reanimator) were all made as a reflection or realization of some kind of personal artistic vision, not a cynical attempt at a payday.

And as far as defining what a “horror film” really is, I’m going to have to say its much like porn; I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it. And I like it.

I don’t know much about it but there’s an Exorcist prequel in the works.

And a Texas Chainsaw remake premieres next week. I hear it’s a true remake, not taking the original and updating it.

The preview of the TCS remake looks decent, but I’m still trepidatious.

Freaks was incredibly scary.

For low budget, Carnival of Souls can be beat only by NOLD.

The Brood was pretty darn creepy.

I guess this isnt a thread about great horror films, though. Sorry for the hijack.

I can’t believe this thread has come so far with only a passing mention of 28 days later Maybe the ending wasn’t your cup of tea but there was a second, far bleaker ending as well. This movie was far more than a simple action or slasher flick.

Huh? I loved 28 days Later and I prefer the (slightly) happier ending.

I seem to be one of the few horror movie fans who was’t much impressed by The Others. The acting was pretty good, I’ll give you (at least, Kidman anoyed me much less than she usally does), but I saw the ending coming by about 15 minutes into the movie, and while parts of it were a bit creepy, nothing in it was actually scary… to me, anyway.

Indeed… I agree wholeheartedly, on both counts. The original version of The Haunting is one of the best horror movies ever made, hands down. The remake sucks eggs.

I also second the recommedation for Session 9… everything a good solid horror movie should be, well-made and with a nice punch at the end. So disturbing that I never want to see it again, but very well done.

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You’re a bit more sophisticated then you used to be. When you were just a little goboy horror movies contained concepts and images that were probably new to you. Now that you’ve grown into a rough and tumble gobear it’s a lot harder to scare you. I haven’t been scared by a horror movie in years and I don’t have a natural pelt, large teeth, and long claws like you do.

They say familiarity breeds contempt and maybe that’s true. Vampires, werewolves, and zombies just don’t scare modern audiences. So such horror movies have gone out of style just as prime time westerns on television and the movies has left. Though we see more horror movies then we do westerns.

In truth over the past 10 years or so there have been plenty of horror movies. There are just the few I can think of off the top of my head and don’t include movies like Army of Darkness or Resident Evil.

The 6th Sense
The Ring
The Blair Witch Project
The Others
(There are a lot of “The” titles)
28 Days Later
Phantoms

Marc

I realize I’m in the minority here, but I found the original “The Thing” much more effective than the remake (which is still a good flick).

Blair Witch was great even though it was very “discreet” - why is that? My feeling is that it’s because something terrible and, very importantly, mysterious, was happening to sympathetic characters; they seemed like people you went to college with, or people who could be friends from childhood, maybe even mirror images of yourself. The mystery is important because when you have someone simply slicing and dicing in a very obvious way, then it leaves nothing to the imagination and diminshes the fun.

In Blair Witch, we never even see the monster, we never see blood or gore.

Think about Session 9, too, when:

Hank is running from something in the asylum - we don’t know if it’s Mary Hobbes’ corpse, a ghost, a squatter, his imagination - the walls start closing in, the spaces more confined as he makes for the exit with the money he’s stolen from that secret cache - I found that to be VERY frightening due to the mystery of what was making all those noises.

I liked Event Horizon , as a more recent example than Alien for horror.

As for the evolution of horror flicks , well I think they just got respectable in the eyes of the studios , for vehicles that can bring in a lot of money.

After watching Underworld , I was left scratching my head , going okaaaay , this reminds me of american werewolf in london.

Declan

The other day I saw a couple of photos of Dead Sea Scrolls researchers piecing together the fragments back in the 1960’s.

Both were smoking.

I believe one even had the window open.

No cheetos were in evidence, though.

Now THAT would be a horror movie: Cheetos in the Stacks.

Session 9 was pretty cool (I don’t care for David Caruso). That’s another one I never heard of and found by accident.