# What's an underappreciated work of classic art? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** arts-crafts\ **Created:** [September 29, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470 "2022-09-29T19:20:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470/41 "2022-10-01T19:47:16Z")
I didn’t find this out until recently, but apparently The Kiss is supposed to be a depiction of Francesca de Rimini and her lover, who were murdered by her husband then sent to Hell (where she met Dante and Virgil, apparently). > **[Francesca da Rimini](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_da_Rimini)** > > Francesca da Rimini\[a\] or Francesca da Polenta\[a\] (died between 1283 and 1286) was a medieval noblewoman of Ravenna, who was murdered by her husband, Giovanni Malatesta, upon his discovery of her affair with his brother, Paolo Malatesta. She was a contemporary of Dante Alighieri, who portrayed her as a character in the Divine Comedy. > Daughter of Guido I da Polenta of Ravenna, Francesca was wedded in or around 1275 to the brave, yet crippled Giovanni Malatesta (also called Gianciotto or "Giovan... which all sounds a bit harsh. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470/42 "2022-10-02T01:02:02Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Yes. For the most part, they are viewed by modern art critics as kitsch; especially Bouguereau. They make great puzzles…just like Thomas Kinkade. What the average art critic knows about art is considerably less than your average museum-goer. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470/43 "2022-10-02T01:51:29Z")
Imho, Veronese’s Wedding Feast at Cana should be considered a masterpiece on a par with the Last Supper, but it’s hardly as well known: [The Wedding at Cana - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wedding_at_Cana) It’s in the same part of the Louvre as the Mona Lisa, but largely ignored. NB: @Cervaise beat me to it. ---
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I grew near a Grant Wood Elementary School in Iowa (but went to Herbert Hoover 🙂 ). Seeing it in person at the Art Institute, it is a magnificent painting. ---
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Here are a couple of suggestions from my earlier post **Lyonel Feininger** _Stiller Tag am Meer III_ [![](https://uploads6.wikiart.org/images/lyonel-feininger/stiller-tag-am-meer-iii-1929.jpg) ](https://uploads6.wikiart.org/images/lyonel-feininger/stiller-tag-am-meer-iii-1929.jpg) **Elfriede Lohse-Wachtler** _A female patient. Woman with landscape._ [![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/0f/29/2d0f295fe8d6faa25ff5ad09f2dd5e89.png) ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/0f/29/2d0f295fe8d6faa25ff5ad09f2dd5e89.png) ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470/46 "2022-10-02T19:25:47Z")
I remembering reading that most Greek/Roman sculptures were originally painted in different colors and are only white now because the oaint wore off. ---
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> [@eburacum45](#): > > I didn’t find this out until recently, but apparently The Kiss is supposed to be a depiction of Francesca de Rimini and her lover “The Kiss” along with “The Thinker” were originally smaller components of Rodin’s “[The Gates of Hell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gates_of_Hell)” – something I know only because a copy is at Stanford’s [Rodin Sculpture Garden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Arts_Center). ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470/48 "2022-10-02T19:39:20Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > What the average art critic knows about art is considerably less than your average museum-goer. Every art critic I’ve read in my life knows more about art than I do. And I like art. ---
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> [@dorvann](#): > > I remembering reading that most Greek/Roman sculptures were originally painted in different colors and are only white now because the oaint wore off. Yes, I knew that. Which is why it was so funny when a Saudi bought a mansion on Sunset Blvd ages ago and had all the statues out front painted in realistic colors. Makes me think of the apocryphal Ruskin story. ---
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Leonardo da Vinci only did a few paintings. But the only two you hear about are the Mona Lisa (famous for being famous) and the Last Supper (which very likely was one of the greatest works of art when da Vinci did it, but now is mostly restorers work). However, Lady with an Ermine, St. John the Baptist and several others are quite a bit better than Mona Lisa. _La Belle Ferronnière_ is similar to Mona Lisa, but IMHO - better. ---
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> [@carrps](#): > > This, and it had more of an impact on me, and I looked at it more deeply, when I was told that it was the farmer’s daughter in the painting, not his wife, as I’d assumed. 😲 I never knew this. Mind blowing. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470/52 "2022-10-02T19:52:31Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > These might be too new to be considerd “classic”, but think of any of the movements that “no one” does anymore, such as the Hudson River School, Ashcan Movement, or Social Realism, but which did have great pieces. > > Heck - think of Op Art. I think a lot of painting/sculpture/mixed media from the 1920’s through the 1970s is in that sort of limbo area where if you tried to create art in its style, it would seem old enough that people would think that you were passe, but young enough that people would think that you were _trying_ to be relevant. Whereas if you created a classic portraiture (or even a Hudson River School style landscape) or an impressionist painting, people would be more likely to take it on its own merits. With the exception of pop art, some of which still feels similar to the stuff from last century. Probably because pop art was from the beginning postmodern enough that since it was cannibalizing other art from the start, shamelessly using the style of pop art in turn seems fair game. ---
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I’m not sure if [The Swing](https://smarthistory.org/jean-honore-fragonard-the-swing/) by Jean-Honoré Fragonard is under appreciated, but I first heard of it only a few months ago. It was wildly erotic in the mid-eighteenth century and was created to be viewed only by a select group. It is beautifully painted and contains numerous visual references. ---
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> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Hopper’s Nighthawks is one of my favorite paintings, but it gets overshadowed in the popular mind by Boulevard of Broken Dreams. I love that painting. Besides the original, I think I have 3 or 4 homages that have various famous people in the diner. I’m also a Green Day fan, but I’ve never seen an album cover so I had no clue there. > [@dorvann](#): > > My favorite painting is the one of Henry VIII holding a turkey leg What’s with all those turkey leg paintings anyway? Was turkey a rich person food since they were native to North America? ---
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Most of these are actually pretty well known works of art, although those presenting them obviously think they’re not properly appreciated. (Although there are several obscure ones mixed in). I’d nominate various works by Bosch, Brueghel, or Hogarth, but I think they’re all pretty famous already. One that I’d nominate is Joseph Wright’s _Experiment on a Bird in an Air Pump_. The title sounds like a joke, but it’s a real 1768 work lit hauntingly by candlelight. The only reason that I even know about it is that a portion of it was used on one of the Penguin editions of _Frankenstein_, for which it’s particularly appropriate. Well worth contemplating: [![](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Experiment_on_a_Bird_in_the_Air_Pump#/media/File:An_Experiment_on_a_Bird_in_an_Air_Pump_by_Joseph_Wright_of_Derby,_1768.jpg) ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Experiment_on_a_Bird_in_the_Air_Pump#/media/File:An_Experiment_on_a_Bird_in_an_Air_Pump_by_Joseph_Wright_of_Derby,_1768.jpg) > **[An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Experiment_on_a_Bird_in_the_Air_Pump)** > > An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump is a 1768 oil-on-canvas painting by Joseph Wright of Derby, one of a number of candlelit scenes that Wright painted during the 1760s. The painting departed from convention of the time by depicting a scientific subject in the reverential manner formerly reserved for scenes of historical or religious significance. Wright was intimately involved in depicting the Industrial Revolution and the scientific advances of the Enlightenment. While his paintings were... Another is _At the Gallery of the Louvre_ (1831-1833), an impressive and huge painting that is filled with copies of famopus paintings hanging in the Louvre (although re-arranged in the painting so they can be shown), including the _Mona LIsa_. The artist had to study and copy several styles in order to render them, and he did an impressive job. It’s all the more impressive because the artist was Samuel F.B. Morse. He thought that this was going to be his masterpiece, the painting tat would tour the US and make his name and fortune. It wasn’t. But then Morse went off and invented the electric telegraph, and that was his contribution to history. I learned about it from David McCullouch’s book about Americans in the 19th century visiting Paris, _The Greater Journey_. He also did several lectures about it. Shortly after I read the book, it showed up at the Peabody-Essex Museum in Salem, MA, so I had a chance to see the actual painting myself. [https://www.seattleartmuseum.org/exhibitions/morse](https://www.seattleartmuseum.org/exhibitions/morse) > **[Samuel F. B. Morse’s “Gallery of the Louvre” and the Art of Invention | The...](https://huntington.org/exhibition/samuel-f-b-morses-gallery-louvre-and-art-invention)** > > Samuel F. B. Morse, of Morse code fame, may be better known as an inventor, but he began his career as a painter. This exhibition focuses exclusively on his masterwork, Gallery of the Louvre (1831–1833), featuring great paintings from the Louvre's... ---
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Any painting of dogs playing poker is much loved, but underappreciated. _A Friend in Need_, for example. ---
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> [@mordecaiB](#): > > I love that painting. Besides the original, I think I have 3 or 4 homages that have various famous people in the diner. I’m also a Green Day fan, but I’ve never seen an album cover so I had no clue there. If I’m not misunderstanding you, the _Boulevard of Broken Dreams_ referred to _is_ one of the kitschy homages of _Nighthawks_. It has nothing to do with the song of the same name by Green Day or any album cover (especially as the album is _American Idiot_, not _BoBD_). It’s this: [![](https://electric-art-gallery.com/hidden2/Boulevard-of-Broken-Dreams-Neon-lg2.jpg) ](https://electric-art-gallery.com/hidden2/Boulevard-of-Broken-Dreams-Neon-lg2.jpg) I don’t know if it’s more well known than _Nighthawks_ – I can go see the real thing in about a half hour here at the Art Institute (unless it’s out on tour), so my point of reference and familiarity may be different. But I have seen it at diners and bars, so it might not surprise me if the average person knows it better than the original. ---
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> [@pulykamell](#): > > If I’m not misunderstanding you, the _Boulevard of Broken Dreams_ referred to _is_ one of the kitschy homages of _Nighthawks_. My fault, I should have been clearer. I love the original and the homages. I have several that I rotate thru as background art on my desktop. I just thought the Green Day cover art was the original painting, having never seen the actual album art. One of the ones I have is the Bogart/Monroe one. Another is Alien/Predator. I can’t remember offhand what the others are. I think the diner setting is so iconic you could put just about any recognizable group of humanoids in there and it will resonate with a lot of people. They all work with me. ---
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Speaking of the Art Institute, I went there this summer and amongst other things I saw Figure with Meat by Francis Bacon. I don’t know if Francis Bacon per se is less appreciated these days than previously, but that painting in particular is probably less famous than it used to be since it has been decades since the original Batman reboot with Keaton in which the Joker “kinda liked” Figure With Meat. Nonetheless, at the Art Institute it was behind heavy plexiglass that caused a distracting glare on the painting: quite frankly, unlike most paintings, I actually like it _better_ seeing reproductions than in person. I bet the people at the Institute don’t want to take the chance that someone will go full Joker on it: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Figure_with_Meat_Bacon.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Figure_with_Meat_Bacon.jpg) ---
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Incidentally, here’s the [top ten list](https://books.google.ca/books?id=n39T-zRGI90C&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=%22in+1985,+a+panel+of+art+experts%22&source=bl&ots=wL1xY93-T8&sig=ACfU3U0reVY7dArHFZdTtlOfAbx9A7Y3cQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjuud_WyMf6AhUgk4kEHbSJAVsQ6AF6BAgDEAM#v=onepage&q=%22in%201985%2C%20a%20panel%20of%20art%20experts%22&f=false) of the aforementioned 1985 poll. I’m not sure the general public would be familiar with many of these. 1. Velázquez, “[Las Meninas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Meninas)” 2. Vermeer, “[View of Delft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View_of_Delft)” 3. Giorgione, “[The Tempest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest_(Giorgione))” 4. Botticelli, “[Primavera](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primavera_(Botticelli))” 5. Francesca, “[The Resurrection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resurrection_(Piero_della_Francesca))” 6. El Greco, “[The Burial of the Count of Orgaz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burial_of_the_Count_of_Orgaz)” 7. Giotto, “[Lamentation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamentation_(The_Mourning_of_Christ))” 8. Grünewald, “[Isenheim Altarpiece](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isenheim_Altarpiece)” 9. Picasso, “[Guernica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(Picasso))” 10. Rembrandt, “[The Return of the Prodigal Son](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_of_the_Prodigal_Son_(Rembrandt))” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-an-underappreciated-work-of-classic-art/972470.md?page=4)