# What's black and white and red all over? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966 "2013-02-11T13:46:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FrankJBN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@FrankJBN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrankJBN)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/21 "2013-02-13T17:06:02Z")
Depends on where staggerlee is writing from. AFAIK, horsemest cannoty be sold for human consumption in US. No such restriction on zebra. ---
**Author:** ![araminty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@araminty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/araminty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/22 "2013-02-13T19:05:33Z")
Was there any indication as to where the zebra was from? Raised for game hunting in Tennessee? Or imported from somewhere in Africa? I’d be asking a lot more questions about where my meat was from, personally. [Bushmeat](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmeat)is a significant threat to conservation. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/23 "2013-02-13T19:20:45Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Savenors on Charles Street in Boston sells weird meats, and has been selling zebra for years. I don’t see it currently listed on their site, though How is it that I didn’t know about this place? Now I know where to go for all of my python needs. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/24 "2013-02-13T19:29:24Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > How is it that I didn’t know about this place? Now I know where to go for all of my python needs. Dunno, but it’s worth a trip. It’s at the very end of Charles Street, near the Charles St. -MGH stop on the red line. It’s a pretty small shop, but you’ll end up going down the line at the freezers saying to your companions – “Look at this – they’ve got LION!” ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/25 "2013-02-14T12:15:03Z")
> [@araminty](#): > > Was there any indication as to where the zebra was from? Raised for game hunting in Tennessee? Or imported from somewhere in Africa? I’d be asking a lot more questions about where my meat was from, personally. [Bushmeat](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmeat)is a significant threat to conservation. I was so ravenous I discarded the packaging without paying much attention, but I think the exotic meats in that particular butchers’ is just farmed in the UK (where I am). Then again, their website does say their meats come 'from all over the world" - [http://mjdaltonbutchers.vpweb.co.uk/Exotic.html](http://mjdaltonbutchers.vpweb.co.uk/Exotic.html) So I may have made somewhat of an ecological boo-boo. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/26 "2013-02-14T12:46:50Z")
Taking the thread title very literally: [http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;\_ylt=A0PDoKl\_3BxRAXgAWQGJzbkF;\_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F\_adv\_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dzebra%2Bmeat%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D7&w=448&h=336&imgurl=3.bp.blogspot.com%2F\_-6jAEVjIE2o%2FTCYaCvEErEI%2FAAAAAAAAAkw%2Ft\_rlwLcVoWs%2Fs1600%2FZebra-Steak.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthedailydrivelnews.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F06%2Flifestyles-section.html&size=22.6+KB&name=pounds+boneless+\zebra+meat+\<%2Fb\>cubed+juice+of+2+limes+2+3&p=zebra+meat&oid=1a455759481f2de91fc74762fcb7c211&fr2=&fr=yfp-t-701&tt=pounds%2Bboneless%2B%253Cb%253Ezebra%2Bmeat%2B%253C%252Fb%253Ecubed%2Bjuice%2Bof%2B2%2Blimes%2B2%2B3&b=0&ni=21&no=7&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=1261vtvli&sigb=1385o3aor&sigi=12oie0eos&.crumb=G.kSrW0OssH](http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDoKl_3BxRAXgAWQGJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dzebra%2Bmeat%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D7&w=448&h=336&imgurl=3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_-6jAEVjIE2o%2FTCYaCvEErEI%2FAAAAAAAAAkw%2Ft_rlwLcVoWs%2Fs1600%2FZebra-Steak.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthedailydrivelnews.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F06%2Flifestyles-section.html&size=22.6+KB&name=pounds+boneless+%3Cb%3Ezebra+meat+%3C%2Fb%3Ecubed+juice+of+2+limes+2+3&p=zebra+meat&oid=1a455759481f2de91fc74762fcb7c211&fr2=&fr=yfp-t-701&tt=pounds%2Bboneless%2B%253Cb%253Ezebra%2Bmeat%2B%253C%252Fb%253Ecubed%2Bjuice%2Bof%2B2%2Blimes%2B2%2B3&b=0&ni=21&no=7&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=1261vtvli&sigb=1385o3aor&sigi=12oie0eos&.crumb=G.kSrW0OssH) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_A.Robrin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sam_a.robrin/32/14497_2.png) [@Sam\_A.Robrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_A.Robrin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/27 "2013-02-15T23:52:15Z")
> [@araminty](#): > > Was there any indication as to where the zebra was from? Raised for game hunting in Tennessee? Or imported from somewhere in Africa? I’d be asking a lot more questions about where my meat was from, personally. [Bushmeat](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmeat)is a significant threat to conservation. The menu assured that all the meat came from animals raised to the purpose. I was disappointed that they were always out of elephant when I went there. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/28 "2013-02-16T01:30:44Z")
Obama, after farting during a speech? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/29 "2013-02-16T03:30:52Z")
> [@FrankJBN](#): > > Depends on where staggerlee is writing from. AFAIK, horsemest **cannoty be sold for human consumption in US**. No such restriction on zebra. The law was changed last year. Horses can be butchered and eaten in the U.S. again. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/30 "2013-02-17T00:53:28Z")
Keep in mind, soylent centaur is made of horse people. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/31 "2013-02-17T06:59:01Z")
I never understood the big deal about horse meat. They’re making a big ruckus in France about it right now. I get that people want to know what they are eating, but everyone acts like it’s less healthy or something. I find it odd that the same nations whose kids are the only ones who can watch chicken nuggets be made and still want them are so bent out of shape from horses. Food is food. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/32 "2013-02-17T10:12:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I never understood the big deal about horse meat. They’re making a big ruckus in France about it right now. I get that people want to know what they are eating, but everyone acts like it’s less healthy or something. > > I find it odd that the same nations whose kids are the only ones who can watch chicken nuggets be made and still want them are so bent out of shape from horses. Food is food. It (mostly) isn’t about the horse meat itself - customers were sold adulterated product that wasn’t what it said on the tin. That means that other labels (such as “Intended for human consumption”) are called into question. People may not **like** how chicken nuggets are made, but they eat them in the assurance that they are safe and intended for human consumption by the relevant authorities. They did so with readymade “beef” lasagna - they may not do so again for some time. I certainly foresee a change in eating habits in the UK as a result of the crisis - less reliance on processed meats from overseas, more home cooking, and a rise in food prices as supermarkets implement rigorous testing regimes and shift to local supply chains away from the lowball suppliers. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/33 "2013-02-17T15:02:46Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I never understood the big deal about horse meat. They’re making a big ruckus in France about it right now. I get that people want to know what they are eating, but everyone acts like it’s less healthy or something. > > I find it odd that the same nations whose kids are the only ones who can watch chicken nuggets be made and still want them are so bent out of shape from horses. Food is food. I agree with “si\_blakely”. This is about getting what you paid for. Unless people are willing to begin butchering their own meat and grinding their own grain, they’re going to rely on government inspectors to verify that the food they purchase is safe and has been prepared/packaged as stated on the label. Does this product contain peanuts? Is it Kosher? Does it contain MSG? When was it packaged? Was the tin container sealed with lead solder? Does my horse meat contain beef byproducts? “Contains all natural products” doesn’t mean anything but it certainly sounds good. Lead is natural. Mercury is natural. Anthrax bacterium is natural. People want what they paid for, not what some corrupt, unscrupulous , or criminal party decides to feed them. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/34 "2013-02-17T15:13:19Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > What’s black and white and red all over? Answer: A holstein in a blender. Dude, that zebra steak was just cow meat. You’ve been had, and should expose the fraud in to the press. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/35 "2013-02-17T17:38:33Z")
I’ve had horse meat sashimi in Japan. And it was not sliced thinly, either. There was much more chewing involved than I would have preferred… ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/36 "2013-02-17T17:54:19Z")
I remember on an episode of _The Tonight Show_ back in the '70s or '80s, Doc Severinsen (who apparently was into horse breeding and related activities) served Johnny Carson a hamburger made from horsemeat. Carson could barely tell the difference between it and a beefburger, though he did identify the horsemeat as being “a bit sweeter.” Zebras are, I believe, closer to mules than horses. If you’ve ever heard one vocalize, they bray rather than whinny. I was shopping at my local supermarket (in Moscow) not long ago, when I noticed cans of horsemeat on the shelf, next to the tinned beef, pork, and lamb. So far, I haven’t tried any, but I’m not all that surprised they carry it: in the dairy section, they sell _kumiss_, which is fermented mare’s milk. It’s a Central Asian delicacy that’s something of an acquired taste. (It also stinks to high heaven!) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/37 "2013-02-17T21:06:04Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Zebras are, I believe, closer to mules than horses. If you’ve ever heard one vocalize, they bray rather than whinny. Only the Grevy’s Zebra, and they are closer to wild asses, not mules. Mules, of course, are hybrid animals (a cross between a horse and donkey) and are not a species at all. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/38 "2013-02-18T04:40:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Only the Grevy’s Zebra, and they are closer to wild asses, not mules. Mules, of course, are hybrid animals (a cross between a horse and donkey) and are not a species at all. :smack: Of course. I should have said either donkey or ass. D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966/39 "2013-02-18T21:50:38Z")
Are you sure it was real zebra? I went to a Panda Express, but the meat just tasted like chicken. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-black-and-white-and-red-all-over/649966.md?page=1)