# What's it going to be, Scylla? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 31, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879 "2002-12-31T16:14:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/41 "2002-12-31T19:54:33Z")
Well, damn those with faster draws. I’ll just go lie down in this street in Laredo. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/42 "2002-12-31T20:05:26Z")
Gigo: > [@](#): > > We should not lose the fact that Raoul’s quote came with the line “according to a lawsuit filed” as others showed, Gore, or his alleged remarks, were not part of the lawsuit. This afirmation from Contreras is not the truth. That’s not true, nor does it follow. I have no cite to see that Gore’s remarks didn’t happen or the incident was not referred to in the suit. I understood the rebutting cites to say that Gore and Clinton were not being sued. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/43 "2002-12-31T20:09:45Z")
If Contreras’ columns were formerly carried by the NYT Syndicate, [he’s not there now](http://www.yourhealthdaily.com/syndicate/columnists/index.html). I can’t find anything about the “New American News Service.” And if you note his publishers at Amazon (“[iUniverse.com](http://iUniverse.com)” and “Writers Showcase Press”), it would appear he’s a “published writer” only in the broadest sense of that description. Such impeccable credentials this guy has, huh? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/44 "2002-12-31T20:12:39Z")
Prove it’s in the lawsuit, Scylla. Or continue blitheley spreading lies while claiming “You haven’t proved it’s not true.” Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/45 "2002-12-31T20:45:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > **He’s been a continuously published columnist for fourteen years. On what grounds do you slander his journalistic integrity?** Cal Thomas has had a column since 1984. The length of the career proves nothing about fidelity to truth, justice or the American Way. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/46 "2002-12-31T20:46:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Prove it’s in the lawsuit, Scylla. Or continue blitheley spreading lies while claiming “You haven’t proved it’s not true.” Your choice. \*\* You miserable piece of shit. You’re calling me a liar again. I cited this cite as “reportedly.” I did not vouch for it’s truthfullness, nor do I simply accept your casual dismissal. It is what it is and I have not misrepresented it or spread lies. I have tried to be patient here and hope that you would calm down and realize you were acting like an asshole. I even tried to be accomodating and offered you an overture at reconciliation. I’ve done this because I’ve had some respect for you in spite of the fact that you run around like an immature child calling me a liar over every mistake. Considering this thread it’s blatantly stupid hypocrisy. You’ve been falling all over yourself making mistakes of exactly the same sort that you call me a liar over. Then you want to play games, and get me to jump through hoops for an apology that should come unsolicited and unqualified. Now you’re pretending that I’ve misrepresented this quote. You’ve twice accused me of lying about what it actually says, both times fraudulently, and now you’re pretending that I’m somehow a liar for actually posting a link and saying it’s there. You’re acting as if I’ve personally vouched for its credibility. I have not. You’ve been acting like a bully and an ass. You’ve been high-handed and hypocritical and you throw about serious accusations at the slightest provocation. It is now too late for apologies. Go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/47 "2002-12-31T20:53:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*It is now too late for apologies. Go fuck yourself. \*\* Ooooooooo, NOW ya did it, **minty**. You made him MAD. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/48 "2002-12-31T21:00:04Z")
**Collonsburry** would be proud. And, **Scylla** , as a Hispanic, I can say the Contreras was monumentally wrong with the Elian Gonzales case. Using you patented logic I can say that maybe that is the reason why he has fallen out of the more respected sources. His web page passed away a while ago, not a very successful guy it seems. So yes, I heard of him before, I can verify that he is like you: a person who is willing to swallow everything that supports an agenda. Skepticism be dammed. By your patented “I admit I am not vouching for it’s credibility, but you are a dodo head anyhow” I see that it is you who is not going to last here. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/49 "2002-12-31T21:04:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > **You’re acting as if I’ve personally vouched for its credibility. I have not.** Really? Sure you don’t want to revise that? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*Contreras is a published author, longstanding columnist, a presumably credentialled reporter, and has been writing on the political beat for 14 years. > > \ > > …a casual check of [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) reveals he is in fact a professional journalist.\*\* You sure did vouch for the _author’s_ credibility, **Scylla**. That’s a mighty fine hair you’re splitting. Oh, and speaking of hair-splitting, read **minty** ’s post again. He didn’t call _you_ a liar, he said that you were “spreading lies.” Which, now that Contreras’ creds as a “professional journalist” have been hopefully debunked, just may be true. Can you prove that you _aren’t_ spreading lies, **Scylla**? Are you willing to vouch for Contreras’ article to that degree? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/50 "2002-12-31T21:21:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > You miserable piece of shit. You’re calling me a liar again. No, Scylla. I’m accusing you of blithely spreading another person’s falsehoods because it suits your rhetorical and political purposes, and of being inexcusably indifferent to the truth or falsity of the claim you reprinted. > [@](#): > > Then you want to play games, and get me to jump through hoops for an apology that should come unsolicited and unqualified. I started this thread with the sincere intention of apologizing if you would simply assure me that you posted those statements in good faith. This could have been finished in about three posts. I see now that it was not to be. > [@](#): > > Now you’re pretending that I’ve misrepresented this quote. Huh? I’m saying the material you cited is a lie, and that you’re spreading it. You haven’t misrepresented the statement. It’s just that the statement is a lie, and you don’t seem to care. > [@](#): > > You’ve twice accused me of lying about what it actually says, both times fraudulently, and now you’re pretending that I’m somehow a liar for actually posting a link and saying it’s there. I apologized in teh original thread for missing your blogcite on the photography thing, which was in a post rather removed from the one I was responding to. But neither your blogcite nor any of your three sources that I _did_ initially see said anything whatsoever about Gore being present during the telling of racist jokes and doing nothing about it. Nothing whatsoever. You even acknowledged it. Marilyn Qualyle, remember? Is it possible you were misremembering? Hell yeah. I consider it far more likely than not. But goddammit, you’d already admitted to intentionally lying earlier in that thread. Why the hell should I assume you weren’t just doing it again, when the stuff you cited didn’t even appear to support what you were claiming? Nope, my knee jerked to “lying.” I’m quite prepared to take it back, even now. Just tell me you posted it in good faith and with no intent to deceive or stretch the truth. > [@](#): > > You’re acting as if I’ve personally vouched for its credibility. I have not. Now that’s just silly. What was all that crap you posted about Contreras’ journalistic integrity and neing a published author and all that nonsense? You didn’t really mean that to be taken seriously either? > [@](#): > > It is now too late for apologies. Go fuck yourself. I keep trying to get there, but if you won’t even take the tiniest step towards meeting me in the middle, I guess it’ll have to be self-gratification for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/51 "2002-12-31T21:31:34Z")
I hope you people can wrap this up so we can all sing Auld Lang Syne together. Yes? Please? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/52 "2002-12-31T21:37:51Z")
But we’re not even drunk yet! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/53 "2002-12-31T21:44:19Z")
200 posts later, and my opinion remains the same. Scylla, you are a fool. Of course, take that with all the respect you are due. Huckleberry, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/54 "2002-12-31T22:04:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\* I guess it’ll have to be self-gratification for everyone. \*\* Ooooo! Party! In accord with this festive aura of good fellowship, I think we should all break into song. First, the new [G.O.P. campaign theme song](http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/iwannago.htm) and then a rousing chorus of [the Democratic ballad for '04](http://www.lyrics.net.ua/song/30458). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/55 "2002-12-31T22:05:53Z")
\*Should Scylla acknowledge be forgot, And never brought to mind? Should Scylla acknowledge be forgot, And days of old lies wane? And days of old lies wane, my dear, And days of old lies wane. Should Scylla acknowledge be forgot, And days of old lies wane?\* Sure I am drunk, but for me is the medication. 🙂 Happy New Year anyhow to all of you and to all the ships at sea! ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/56 "2002-12-31T23:15:22Z")
\*Should auld acquaintance be forgot And never brought to mind? And let’s all love the left a lot No matter if they’re blind. For liberals are people too They’re just like you and me. Let’s drink a cup of kindness to Our joint humanity. Let’s drink a cup of kindness, friends, And, maybe two or three. And let’s resolve to make amends In year two thousand three.\* \*\* Happy New Year to all!\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/57 "2003-01-01T00:45:53Z")
Minty: > [@](#): > > Is it possible you were misremembering? Hell yeah. I consider it far more likely than not. But goddammit, you’d already admitted to intentionally lying earlier in that thread. Why the hell should I assume you weren’t just doing it again, Because you were being frivolous the first time you accused me. My remark was intended to be an obvious mistatement for hyperbole. It wasn’t obvious to you and you called it a lie. I said of course it’s a lie. It was intended to be hyperbolous. Then you moaned and moralized about lying in insufferable fashion as if I’d perpetrated a lie or attempted to decieve you. Later on I made another mistatement, and you jumped all over me with the accusations again. That’s two mistakes in ten pages. On the first page of this thread you’ve made three similar mistatements that merit accusations of lying according to your criteria. **Three**. > [@](#): > > Nope, my knee jerked to “lying.” I’m quite prepared to take it back, even now. Just tell me you posted it in good faith and with no intent to deceive or stretch the truth. I have a better idea. Stop making frivoulous accusations, and demanding other people jump through hoops and deny it. It’s shitty and demeaning, and it’s beginning to look like a deliberate technique on your part. If you’re gonna make an accusation make it good enough to stick. You accuse me of not caring about the truth, but in your last post you think it’s highly unlikely I was intentionally lying. Yet, you called me a liar anyway. If you think you’re wrong, If you think made a false accusation, than it’s **your** responsibility to fix it. There’s no meeting halfway. There’s no hoops for me to jump through. No assurances required. No denials or protestations of innocence. You made a frivolous accusation and one that you believe is likely false. It’s up to you to fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/58 "2003-01-01T00:54:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > \*\*Ooooooooo, NOW ya did it, **minty**. You made him MAD. \*\* That’s Goddamn, right. You can call Bush a racist, you can call me a liar, you can rag on Republicans, and that’s ok. But Minty dissed Raoul Lowry-Contreras. Do you expect me to stand for that? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/59 "2003-01-01T01:18:12Z")
I love ya both. If you both get into a hissy fit and end up rolling on the floor in a frenzy of anger and lust, please send me the video. P.S. Scylla, look back carefully on what you said. Anyalize and dissect your position. Honestly and clearly. Please? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879/60 "2003-01-01T01:22:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > \*\*P.S. Scylla, look back carefully on what you said. Anyalize and dissect your position. Honestly and clearly. > > Please? \*\* Are you suggesting I’m being a bit of a rigid hard-ass? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-it-going-to-be-scylla/145879.md?page=4)