What's New Jersey Actually Like?

Where in West Essex if you don’t mind my asking? That’s where I currently live so I’m curious.

I’m a transplanted New Yorker who moved here a few years ago because Long Island was too expensive and Queens would not allow us a backyard.

So far my impressions of the state are varied. The big cities stink. Newark, Atlantic City, Camden and Trenton are disgusting hellholes. But many of the smaller towns are quite pretty. Cape May, Montclair, Princeton and Fort Lee are lovely. The shore is okay. I enjoyed our trip to Wildwood this summer. But the people at Sea Bright deserve to have their private beaches washed away.

Aside from the fact that our commute is a bit long and most of my friends still live in another state there are many pluses. The schools are great. The beach and mountains are an hour away. NYC is a mere 45 minute bus ride. And housing inflation has raised the value of my house since we moved here by over 100K.

So overall I’m pleased with our decision. Oh and none of my nice neighbors has anything remotely resembling a Jersey accent.

Thankyou all for your intriguing word-portraits of New Jersey! The information about Camden being incredibly crime-ridden comes as somewhat of a suprise (although I’ve heard bad things about Trenton), as does the news that it’s actually a densely-populated state. It’s just that most photos I’ve seen of NJ tend to portray the rural or wilderness areas of the state.
Comments like this intrigue me:

I’ve also heard stories about people called the Jackson Whites. Any of you New Jerseyans know about them?
Definitely a place to put on my List of Essential Parts of the U.S. to Visit (should I ever find the time and money to get over there :cool: ).

Currently in Verona, but I grew up in Cedar Grove and North Caldwell, and have spent some time in “regular” Caldwell and West Orange. It’s all one big town, really, but I guess it’s home. :slight_smile:

I am from Essex county and I spent a few (miserable) years near the Delaware Water Gap.

Essex county towns nearby were the Connecticut wealthy types (and in case you are wondering, the Jersey folks I knew made fun of Connecticut.) Millburn, Short Hills, Summit, Maplewood and South Orange all have a very local culture. Many towns severely restrict what gets built to preserve the character of the towns. Even if you do get a building permit, building an ugly house will make someone VERY unpopular. Most have a town center that is pedestrian friendly and hostile to big retailers in order to help local businesses (no it’s not a Sopranos thing.) They pay big bucks for good public schools.

These are a few graduates from the area public high school:

Zach Braff, actor on Scrubs and Creator of Garden State
Joetta Clark and Hazel Clark, Olympic runners daughters of Joe Clark famous principal
Judith Stahl Viorst, author of Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
Lauryn Hill
Max Weinberg
Andrew and Elizabeth Shue
Alfred C. Kinsey, okay that goes back a ways…

All I can say for Sussex county was that I hated the few years I spent there. You need a car, there is not much to do (the nearby lake was disgusting) and the “nicer” houses were those pre-fab cul-de-sac types. Morris county seemed nicer.

Sally–Where do you live?

If you’re interested in the odder aspects of our state, do check out the Weird N.J. link that Cabbage provided.

Also, remember that it’s no accident that our hockey team is the “New Jersey Devils.” I don’t think anyone in this thread has explicitly explained the legend of the Jersey Devil.
Here is a rather boring explanation from the New Jersey Historical Society: http://www.jerseyhistory.org/legend_jerseydevil.html
A slightly more colorful treatment from Strange magazine: http://www.strangemag.com/jerseydevil1.html
Here is a kid-friendly explanation on the official state website: http://www.state.nj.us/pinelands/kidskrnr.htm
Here is the about.com page with lots of links: http://paranormal.about.com/cs/thejerseydevil/
And if you like the X-Files, check out the episode “The Jersey Devil (1X04)” for an unique treatment of the phenomenon.

And the legend as I heard it: Way back in colonial times, a Mrs. Leeds, who was a 13th child, gave birth to her 13th child. This child was unwanted. After a long and painful birth, Mrs. Leeds said “may the Devil take him!” and the child disappeared. He became “The Jersey Devil,” a strange entity with the head of a horse, the wings of a bat, the legs of a goat, and the body of a man. He lives in the Pine Barrens, but has been sighted as far north as Connecticut, and as far south as Maryland. While he sometimes causes mischief, he is not entirely malevolent. In fact, most of the time, he’s sighted just sitting on a split-rail fence.

I was born in NJ (Mt.Holly) and lived there a few brief months (in Browns Mill) before my parents decided to come to Texas. I’ve gone back to visit relatives, and for a few summer vacations at Cape May with my ex’s family. Aside from the trip from Newark airport, I found the state to be suprisingly green (not luminescently so) and very pretty in places. Even the people seemed reasonably friendly. I suppose it only came as a suprise because of the fairly thoroughly negative opinion of the state that my parents seemed to hold.

Another weird NJ legend I’m familiar with is Clinton Road in West Milford (which, from my reading, seems to be a center of weirdness for NJ; I believe West Milford is also where the silver thread I previously mentioned was seen, as well as being the general location of the rumored Midgetville). I’ve never been on Clinton Road, but it’s one of those things I’ve been planning on next time I’m in the area.

A while back on the Travel Channel they had a show featuring haunted spots across the country and Clinton Road was featured. A legend they gave (and I may have some details inaccurate, but this is the gist of it) was that at one time a young boy was killed on the road near a bridge (probably a car accident, but my memory’s not clear on this). The legend is that if you stand on the bridge and toss your change over the side, the boy’s ghost will come and return your change to you.

Another thing about the road I seem to recall is that there’s a tight curve on the road; over the years several lethal accidents have occurred at that spot where the driver missed the turn and drove their car into the lake just beyond.

Because of my interest in visiting Clinton Road one day, this post has always stuck in my mind (njufoic’s post, fifth one down).

Now I’m a fairly skeptical person. I’d love to see some first hand evidence that would convince me of hauntings or the Jersey Devil or what have you, but until then I’ll remain interested in such legends but still skeptical. But Clinton Road is another example where I can’t help but wonder if there’s some truth to the legends that can be traced back to the Mafia presence in NJ.

One more thing about NJ roads that just occurred to me. (And I must admit this is a fairly vague memory. While I’m pretty sure it happened as I’ll describe it, it is possible I dreamed this event). I mentioned earlier about visiting my friend several years ago in Glassboro, NJ. While we were there we took the short road trip to Atlantic City.

Now my friend is more skeptical than I am, one who typically ridicules others for believing in ghosts, UFOs, and that sort of thing.

I was doing the driving from Glassboro to Atlantic City, and most of the trip was along the Atlantic City Expressway, which connects Atlantic City to the Greater Philadelphia area.

Before we left, my friend mentioned some legend about the Expressway being cursed and that over the years there have been several fatal accidents on the highway. Knowing how skeptical he is, I was a bit surprised he brought something like that up in the first place.

I asked him if he thought there was any truth to it. He said that yes, he did think so. He went on to explain he didn’t think it was supernatural, of course, but just that the layout and environment of the highway itself was kind of dull, and was prone to inducing tiredness and sleep in drivers. Before we left, he told me to be sure and let someone else behind the wheel if I began to feel tired.

(That’s all there is to tell; I just thought it was an amusing anecdote about the prevalence of NJ legends. As I recall, I drove out to Atlantic City and back without any trouble).

*Philip: “Gardner, do you realize you all just mooned my parents?”

Gardner: “They’re from New Jersey, Phil. They’ve seen butts before.”*

As other people have mentioned, NJ ain’t so great with cities (they’re all pretty blighted, although Elizabeth has some perfectly nice suburban neighborhoods.) What it does best is the suburb. At least in the part of the state that I’m from (the northeastern, suburbs-of-NYC portion), the suburbs are older than they are in most of the country. This means that you don’t get the same cookie-cutter-subdivision feeling, and most of the zoning doesn’t permit McMansion-style houses. Everything is nearby, because it’s so dense - when my family goes to other states, I’m always surprised by how long it takes to get from one place to the next. I grew up half an hour from New York City and only about an hour from the rural farms-and-parks portion of the state, and my family took advantage of both.

The movie Garden State was shot in New Jersey, and lots of the exterior shots rang very true to me. When they’re in the backyard of Sam’s house, in the pet cemetary, the bird and airplane sounds are exactly like those in my backyard, which is unsurprising in that I think they shot it three towns over from my parents’ house.

Fort Lee? Lovely? That’s not the adjective that would first come to mind… Don’t get me wrong, it’s an interesting, (somewhat) ethnically diverse and lively place, and I’ve considered looking there when I finally get off my butt and look for a new place… but lovely?
No arguments about the other three towns though.

My biggest problem with New Jersey is that I’ve lived here for 14 years and I still can’t remember which one is Parsippany and which is Piscataway. And don’t get me started on Manahawkin, Manalapan, Matawan and Manasquan!
But we do have Ho-ho-kus. Which is just a cool name for a town.

Parsippany – 80-287-46
Piscataway – 287 not near 80 or 46 :wink:

And Ho-ho-kus is a cool name for a town :slight_smile:

206 and 514 here. Not near an exit at all, though I have lived at 147 and 135.

And BTW, as I understand it, the definitive answer for “What exit?” is 145. I don’t have a clue why, but that’s what I’ve heard.

That bridge is referred to as the “Trenton Makes” bridge and really doesn’t have another name as it connects to Bridge Street in Morrisville, PA. It is best seen from the US1 (toll) bridge.

Here’s a link with pictures of the Trenton Makes bridge.

I’m currently in Sydney, Australia - quite a distance from New Jersey! It’d be good to get a Trenton-like sign put on the Sydney Harbour Bridge, eh? :smiley:

I used to think that Ho-Ho-Kus was a sweet name, until one day when I was riding NJTransit to Suffern, and we passed it, and some kid in the seat across the row from me was having a seizure screaming to his dad about wanting to go to Ho-Ho-Kus. He kept it up the entire trip, screaming “let’s go to HO HO KUS! HO HOOOOOO KUS! I WANT TO GO TO HO HOOOO KUS!” and his dad did absolutely nothing. Makes me wish I had the right to slap other people’s kids.

Well, 145 is the exit for Route 280, which is the best way to get to Newark and most points in Essex County. If I’m going north, I take it, myself. :slight_smile:

Yeah, that’s a pretty good one, but I’m partial to Weehawken.

Of course in the World 'O Hal, proper pronunciation of the town’s name involves saying it as if you were one 'o them Duke boys jumping the General Lee over a creek:

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawken!! :smiley:

NJ is a great state. It is more rural than people imagine, and has more 'beaches" than most people realize. Lot’s of coastline, and great intercoastal waters. Right near Philly and NY.

If you try to just “enjoy New Jersey” , you are completely missing the point. NJ is something you enjoy over time, and as a component of the North East USA.

You need to ‘get it’…You need to live and grow up in an area that sees millions of people head ‘down the shore’…where everyone owns a beach house, a boat or knows someone who does.

I live in South Jersey…was born and raised in Philly. Today I could see Joey at my favorite deli in Philly, and then bump into him at my favorite watering hole in Sea Isle a hundred miles away the next day. I might go fishing with him next week off Cape May, or run into him at the Pocono Mntns in PA a few months later.

Overall, as a people, WE DON"T MOVE, because we don’t want to.

Put NJ in the “you will never get it” category. Either you are born and raised here in the area, or you will never ‘get it’.

Quite frankly, we don’t care if you don’t ‘get it’.

LOL. Excellent. Oh lordie did I hear it from my family when I shudder told them I was moving to central PA.

But, that was nothing, and I mean nothing, when I told them I was moving to California. Almost 5 years later and my mother is still convinced I’ll be moving back anyday now. She can’t comprehend why I’d ever leave NJ (and she’s not even a NJ native, she was raised in Astoria and lived all over the world while in the Air Force.) But, she’s called central NJ home for hmmm, 36 or 37 years now I guess.

I would live there again, even though I hate the winters. It is a great state.

A friend and his wife had a similar thing, but after she would say an extended Weeeeehawken, he would chime in with a low pitched:

HOOOOOOOOboken