# What's next for the pro-insurrectionists? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994 "2021-01-08T02:51:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/121 "2021-01-12T16:50:46Z")
This link was posting in another thread, but its a good read for this thread as well Im hoping enough career workers will step up and start treating the insurrectionists as the true threat they are [You Woke the Leviathan](https://arcdigital.media/qanon-woke-up-the-real-deep-state-72bbfcb79488) ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/122 "2021-01-12T17:00:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > But I think the tech companies did what need to be done, considering the circumstances. I don’t say this lightly. I realize that using insurrection or war to erode civil liberties is a _ **horrible** _ precedent. That’s why we allowed the a president to muster an army on the White House lawn and send them to attack Congress What precedent? No civil liberties I know of have been lost. Nobody has a right to have a private party publish any shit, never has. Not when cranks wrote letters to the editor on paper and not now. It’s a free market and should the neo-Confederates want to set up their own platform and hosting, nothing but resources stop them, just like nothing but resources stops the Commie Left either… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/123 "2021-01-12T17:08:24Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m going to say it. I think I’ll be the first. We need to treat Wednesday’s attack as the first volley in a civil war. I’m not going to capitalize the words, I’m not there yet. It’s hard to wrap your head around, I’ve been using the phrase “failure of imagination” a lot recently. But let’s say I find the total silence from the White House and federal agencies extremely troubling. We should be getting hours long press conferences on a daily basis, with agency leader after agency leader speaking. Yes, but what kind of “civil war” gentlemen? It can be bad and deadly, but I do think that it will be as a lot of what was seen coming from this administration, just as there was Stupid Watergate, this is looking as the Stupid Civil War. It can be deadly, but not as deadly as it can be if their insurrection members were smarter, it is more likely that prompt arrests and disgrace will happen a lot in the next days (and everyone should remind **constantly** to the politicians that support sedition that they are also disgraced.) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/124 "2021-01-12T17:09:27Z")
Georgia man Georgia dies in Georgia. > **[Trump fan, 53, found dead after he was arrested at Capitol riot ](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138405/Trump-fan-53-dead-just-days-arrested-Capitol-Hill-riot.html)** > > Christopher Stanton Georgia, 53, was found dead with a gunshot wound to his chest at his home in Alpharetta, Georgia, on Saturday. He died by suicide, the medical examiner said. Well, that’s one trial taxpayers don’t have to foot. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/125 "2021-01-12T17:22:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It can be bad and deadly, but I do think that it will be as a lot of what was seen coming from this administration, just as there was Stupid Watergate, this is looking as the Stupid Civil War. It can be deadly, but not as deadly as it can be if their insurrection members were smarter, The problem is, the Stupid Civil Warriors are providing a lot of cover for those in the crowd who _aren’t_ stupid. It’s those guys who could cause some real damage. Sure, most of these guys are just Gravy Seal LARPers, but some of them are people like the Oathkeepers - former military dedicated to this cause, and with the skills and the will to do real damage. We’ve seen far too many times how much damage a lone gunman can cause in a short period of time. Imagine if, instead, it was a small team of these guys, using hit-and-run tactics. Find a soft target, get in, a short burst of massive violence, and then a planned escape route to allow them to get away and do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/126 "2021-01-12T17:24:02Z")
Reading a dense [MIT published study](https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/ISEC_a_00075) not about Trump per se but about what happens when terrorist groups are subject to “leadership decapitation”. The author purports to show that removing leaders of violent clandestine groups, whether by arrest or assassination, has a statistically verifiable marked effect, at least for some years. This is because such groups usually lack trained subordinates to replace them (partly because these people are always a threat to the typically quite paranoid leader), and because they most typically lead via charisma, which is hard to duplicate. The study also shows that this destructive effect on terrorist groups is most marked in countries with higher GDPs, because the resources to marshal defenses against them are that much greater. Interesting but as I say, dense piece of work and since I have a headache I have so far only skimmed it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/127 "2021-01-12T17:50:39Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > The problem is, the Stupid Civil Warriors are providing a lot of cover for those in the crowd who _aren’t_ stupid. It’s those guys who could cause some real damage. Sure, most of these guys are just Gravy Seal LARPers, but some of them are people like the Oathkeepers - former military dedicated to this cause, and with the skills and the will to do real damage. > > We’ve seen far too many times how much damage a lone gunman can cause in a short period of time. Imagine if, instead, it was a small team of these guys, using hit-and-run tactics. Find a soft target, get in, a short burst of massive violence, and then a planned escape route to allow them to get away and do it again. I see that, but smarter ones do know that they will have success possibly if the support was there, latest polls show that support for trump and sedicionists is dropping even more. Under those conditions I do remember the moment groups like that do fall is when they make the mistake of thinking that they have the support of the majority and act on that mistaken assumption. Smarter ones though will continue to wait for the right conditions. Hence the need to also remind the seditionist supporters in government to drop it or else lose support, not just from the rank and file, but from the ones that count. Wealthy contributors that do know that the gig is up. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/128 "2021-01-12T18:07:41Z")
> [@RyanAdam](#): > > It’s a free market and should the neo-Confederates want to set up their own platform and hosting, nothing but resources stop them, just like nothing but resources stops the Commie Left either I and my Fellow Travelers do not appreciate such slurs. ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/129 "2021-01-12T18:36:46Z")
Are you a Communist? If not what the hell is the “slur”… I didn’t say all the Left are Commies, if that’s your comprehension, I said the Commie Left. ---
**Author:** ![Guy\_Incognito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guy_incognito/32/3920_2.png) [@Guy\_Incognito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guy_Incognito)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/130 "2021-01-12T18:43:53Z")
My thinking is that the insurrectionists will be diminished in number when they cause enough collateral damage among their supporters to the point where they finally turn against them. Unfortunately this will mean that we would see some OKC events or mass shootings which hurt or kill enough people to make a lot of would-be supporters re-evaluate their opinions regarding their methods. I don’t even want to consider how much bloodshed would be needed before we arrive at that tipping point. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/131 "2021-01-12T18:47:59Z")
I think the joke was that as a Commie or a Fellow Traveler he didn’t care for being compared to Neo-Confederates. ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/132 "2021-01-12T18:59:20Z")
> [@Guy\_Incognito](#): > > Unfortunately this will mean that we would see some OKC events or mass shootings which hurt or kill enough people to make a lot of would-be supporters re-evaluate their opinions regarding their methods. I don’t even want to consider how much bloodshed would be needed before we arrive at that tipping point. In the early 1990s, IRA bombings resulted in many accusations and finger-pointing from both sides and little progress. In 1998, when the peace process was well underway, the Omagh bombing horrified everyone who was tired of violence, and marginalized the remaining agitators. I’m afraid we’re closer to the early 1990s than 1998 right now. ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/133 "2021-01-12T19:03:34Z")
Ahhh… if that’s it whooshed, sorry… ---
**Author:** ![Guy\_Incognito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guy_incognito/32/3920_2.png) [@Guy\_Incognito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guy_Incognito)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/134 "2021-01-12T19:15:34Z")
> [@squidfood](#): > > I’m afraid we’re closer to the early 1990s than 1998 right now. I’m afraid you may be right. ---
**Author:** ![RyanAdam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@RyanAdam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanAdam)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/135 "2021-01-12T19:35:32Z")
Me too ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/136 "2021-01-13T00:20:37Z")
The Patriots will surround the capitol. Army and National Guard will march close file between them and the building. At a prearranged signal the troops bring their arms forward and, en masse, throw down their helmets, don MAGA hats, and lead the cheering crowd into the capitol. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/137 "2021-01-13T03:13:52Z")
You jest, but I know a dude on facebook who pretty much believes exactly this is going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/138 "2021-01-14T02:33:51Z")
or Conservative Rebellion Action Pact (CRAP)… ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/139 "2021-01-14T03:54:50Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > I’m a reasonably decent shot, though my armory boasts only a .22 pistol and .22 rifle. But who would expect an old woman in her 70s to be packing heat? Might give me an advantage in the element of surprise. Anybody who understands that one purpose of guns is for self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994/140 "2021-01-14T04:07:53Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > One thing we can be sure of, is the moment Biden is in office the FBI and the DoJ will crack down _hard_ on right-wing militant groups. > > They will also seriously step up monitoring them, and infiltrating them. > > If the big social media and internet companies continue to cut them off (as they are now belatedly doing), perhaps with help from new legislation, these right-wing groups have no future. They really need to double amp up their investigation of politicians, law enforcement and military personnel (retired and active duty) who are involved in white nationalist domestic terror organizations. Joe Blow down the street yelling at his TV is one thing. Trained cops and soldiers working with politicians who have inside information is another. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-for-the-pro-insurrectionists/929994.md?page=8)