# What's next recreational sex? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 20, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574 "2016-11-20T19:55:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/41 "2016-11-21T14:54:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Quatro, you really need to clear up what you’re talking about. You throwing out three terms - recreational sex, prostitution, and slavery - that mean different things. > > These terms might mean something different in thirty years but to keep the discussion clear, please use them in their current meaning. > > Recreational sex: two (or more) people choosing to have sex together for fun without being married or having any other form of committed relationship between them. > > Prostitution: two (or more) people choosing to have sex together where one person is paying the other to participate in the sex. > > Slavery: a relationship where one person owns another person and can do what they want with the owned person, including having sex with them. > > Which of these are you talking about? I am talking about the ones you listed that are not legal now. Sure meeting a girl or a guy in a bar and having a drink and going up to their room and having sex is recreational now without breaking any law, but it was not that way as far back as 1950’s you had to show a marriage certificate. So yes to your question … all three, but to justify sex in one’s mind it will have to be legal for all three. Can you imagine a pot party 30 years ago and passing around a joint in school and someone saying, “Oh no it is illegal to smoke pot”. Same with sex for pay of play it would have to be legal and laws would have to be passed, etc. Probably the first one is for you to have to sign an agreement or click on your new apple phone app to record a certain date and time that it was okay, but not 24 hours later for rape court cases you understand. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/42 "2016-11-21T14:56:47Z")
I have to admit, at first I thought that this was the most ridiculous rants I’ve read. However once I thought about it – what if this all leads to _dancing?_ He has us. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/43 "2016-11-21T15:52:44Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I am talking about the ones you listed that are not legal now. Sure meeting a girl or a guy in a bar and having a drink and going up to their room and having sex is recreational now without breaking any law, but it was not that way as far back as 1950’s you had to show a marriage certificate. Since your premise is wrong, everything you’re attempting to build upon that is going to be wrong as well. Not only was it happening back in the 50’s it was pretty commonplace in the 1850’s as well. Do you think pre and extra marital sex is something new? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/44 "2016-11-21T16:04:05Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > You ever hear the phrase about the “oldest profession.” If you count a little bit of opportunity cost in time and supporting costs for some social lubrication (dinner, drinks, move… or gathering some wood for a fire in the cave) it’s basically been with us since we were a species. Remember when Less Nessman’s friends told he his new girlfriend worked in “the world’s oldest profession?” He replied, “She’s a farmer?!” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/45 "2016-11-21T16:15:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Recreational sex: two (or more) people choosing to have sex together for fun without being married or having any other form of committed relationship between them. Can I please make a case for married people being allowed to have recreational sex too? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/46 "2016-11-21T16:21:09Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Can I please make a case for married people being allowed to have recreational sex too? Sorry, no. Only after they divorce. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/47 "2016-11-21T16:31:46Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I am talking about the ones you listed that are not legal now. Sure meeting a girl or a guy in a bar and having a drink and going up to their room and having sex is recreational now without breaking any law, but it was not that way as far back as 1950’s you had to show a marriage certificate. > > So yes to your question … all three, but to justify sex in one’s mind it will have to be legal for all three. > > Can you imagine a pot party 30 years ago and passing around a joint in school and someone saying, “Oh no it is illegal to smoke pot”. No, actually I can’t imagine it. I’m 50 years old. Pot has been illegal for my entire life. Pot has been ubiquitously available my entire life. One of my college roommates back in 1987 used to get high every single day, despite the fact that pot was illegal. And even though pot was everywhere, I’ve never partaken of it. And now here in Washington State, it’s no longer against state law. And so what? The legality of pot hasn’t changed one goddam thing, except now you see billboards and signs whereas before you’d see guys casually standing on streetcorners. > [@](#): > > Same with sex for pay of play it would have to be legal and laws would have to be passed, etc. > > Probably the first one is for you to have to sign an agreement or click on your new apple phone app to record a certain date and time that it was okay, but not 24 hours later for rape court cases you understand. Huh? You do know that having sex with someone you’re not married to is not currently illegal, right? And they already have phone apps, you might have heard of Tinder? [Tinder (app) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinder_(app)) Currently in many countries and localities like Australia prostitution is legal. In many many other localities prostitution is not legal, but it is tolerated by the authorities. Decriminalizing prostitution doesn’t result in some Brave New World nonstop sex orgy. It results in pretty much the exact same thing you had before, only the prostitutes don’t get arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/48 "2016-11-21T16:32:03Z")
I feel like the OP is desperately trying to find a way to get from here and now (or whatever prudish and overly puritanical version of ‘here and now’ exists in his head) to a place like that scene in Logan’s Run where the dude dialed up a hot girl on his TV and she appeared for nookie ASAP. Or any of those dystopian movies where prostitutes are literally everywhere, because that’s apparently movie shorthand for “everything is gritty and sucks and life is harsh and people are hedonistic and cruel to each other” or those “purge” movies where everyone goes bonkers and rapes and kills everyone on one night a year. Yes? A couple of points might be in order. 1. don’t look at movies or books for predictions on how actual real life turns out. It just doesn’t ever go well. Movies don’t have to make sense to be entertaining (neither does a pulp novel, just saying - you don’t have to get there from here, you just have to describe “there” and people will accept it.) 2. don’t look at permissiveness or legality as a shorthand for dictating personal choices and individual behavior. Pot is legal in lots of places now, but anything from peronal preference to religions to places of business still place significant restrictions on whether that legality actually confers protection LET ALONE the desire to partake. If I moved to Georgia, I could get a legal medical prescription (and in fact, I probably SHOULD have one now) but I work for a government entity, and despite it being Georgia-legal, I’d still lose my job if they drug-tested me. That said, when I was a student, I didn’t give two shits that it was illegal. It was lovely and it helped my problems, and I was unlikely to get caught or prosecuted, so I did it anyway. 3. you keep acting like there’s something barring people having hook-ups now, or that there needs to be some… infrastructure or something? IT ALREADY EXISTS! It’s called Tinder and Grindr and Ashley Madison and swingers clubs and kinky sex dungeons and “sexy maidservice” and “asian massage” and chat-rooms and reddit threads and booty calls and craigslist ads and… There doesn’t have to be some centralized “auction house” for people to get recreational, on-demand sex from other people (even in whatever terribly coerced or forced flavors you can think of, unfortunately) - and honestly a central, legalized, organized physical location-based service is specifically UNLIKELY to happen, especially in a society as prudish and independent and untrusting of government as we are. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/49 "2016-11-21T16:58:54Z")
define recreational: relating to or denoting activity done for enjoyment when one is not working. “recreational facilities” All of my sex is recreational. I’m sorry for anyone having sex that is NOT for enjoyment. In fact, prostitution would be the opposite of “recreational sex.” More vocational sex. And who did the participants in the 50s have to show a marriage certificate to? Each other? Some sex officer standing nearby “Yep, this couple is legal, let them go have sex…NO! These two hooligans are trying to get some illegal nookie! Lock 'em up!” ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/50 "2016-11-21T17:42:15Z")
Some hotels had a policy that they’d only rent rooms to married couples, which was essentially a “no prostitution” policy. But it wasn’t like they checked your marriage certificate, married couples didn’t carry around their marriage license on vacation so they could check into hotels. If two strangers walked up toget a room and say they are married, then they got a room. But if the young lady was a regular, and came back every day with a different guy, they might not rent the room to her. Or they might, certain hotels were known as hotspots for prostitution. But classy hotels that didn’t want their regular patrons to have to observe whores and johns walking back and forth all day would try to prevent it. Anyway, this is what made automobiles such a big part of the sexual revolution. You could drive to the next county where nobody knew you, and get a room with your girlfriend. You could drive out to a secluded country road, and park. It’s the Model T Ford made the trouble, made the people wanna go, wanna get, wanna get, wanna get up and go. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/51 "2016-11-21T17:43:20Z")
I think Recreational Sex might be an Olympic sport by the time of the Tokyo 2020 games. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/52 "2016-11-21T18:39:24Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Can I please make a case for married people being allowed to have recreational sex too? Obviously it’s true married couples have sex. But if I’m understanding the OP at all, the topic here is “relationships” where the primary connection is sex. I feel marriage is primarily a social relationship. Granted, I addressed slavery, which historically has been a primarily economic relationship with sex being a secondary issue. But as the OP explicitly mentioned slavery, I felt I should include it. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/53 "2016-11-21T18:43:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Obviously it’s true married couples have sex. But if I’m understanding the OP at all, the topic here is “relationships” where the primary connection is sex. I feel marriage is primarily a social relationship. > > Granted, I addressed slavery, which historically has been a primarily economic relationship with sex being a secondary issue. But as the OP explicitly mentioned slavery, I felt I should include it. He appears to believe that sex was illegal, has moved to medicinal, and now is in danger of becoming recreational. I think. Like marijuana. If he is addressing NSA hook-ups becoming commonplace, in the absence of a social relationship, I feel he is a little late to be concerned. If he feels that this involves an auction of some sort, I am just completely lost. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/54 "2016-11-21T18:48:06Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > I am talking about the ones you listed that are not legal now. Sure meeting a girl or a guy in a bar and having a drink and going up to their room and having sex is recreational now without breaking any law, but it was not that way as far back as 1950’s you had to show a marriage certificate. > > So yes to your question … all three, but to justify sex in one’s mind it will have to be legal for all three. > > Can you imagine a pot party 30 years ago and passing around a joint in school and someone saying, “Oh no it is illegal to smoke pot”. > > Same with sex for pay of play it would have to be legal and laws would have to be passed, etc. > > Probably the first one is for you to have to sign an agreement or click on your new apple phone app to record a certain date and time that it was okay, but not 24 hours later for rape court cases you understand. I’ll admit I still don’t understand what it is you’re trying to say here. Especially that last line. Are you saying it should be legal for unmarried people to have sex with each other? If so, it’s been legal for a long time. Are you saying prostitution should be legal? Or are you saying we should have a society where recreational sex is more casual and socially acceptable? If so, why are you bringing up the issue of legality? And what do you mean by slavery? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/55 "2016-11-21T19:15:13Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > This is not something I want … it’s something that could very well happen as society degenerates itself to the Roman era of everyone have fun … if it’s legal. There was no such era. As has been addressed many times on the Dope, Rome did not fall because of hedonism. IIRC It fell because it absorbed too many cultures with too many different wants and languages, it got too big for efficient communication between (this is why it changed from one central authority to a tetrarchy), finally Rome mismanaged its environmental resources. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/56 "2016-11-21T19:37:26Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > So many old taboo’s have been legalized in just this century. > > Same sex marriage > transgender restroom access > Medical marijuana > Recreational marijuana > > How long will it take till some society (not necessarily ours) to legalize … > > Recreational sex … you know just for the fun of it not your wife or your girlfriend just someone that wants to get it on and for it to be legal, safe and doesn’t cost that much. > > How long do you think it will take 10 to 20 years? Like marijuana it will start with some state like California for example. > > I see a day when men and women will be auctioned off like they do animals today, for an hour or a day or a night. > Does this sound like a society you could live in? > Sounds a little sick, uh? > > I would move to the last country that allows this. I had no idea that recreational sex was illegal. Who auctions animals off for an hour, day, or night? I don’t understand this thread. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/57 "2016-11-21T19:50:25Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > So many old taboo’s have been legalized in just this century. > > Same sex marriage > transgender restroom access > Medical marijuana > Recreational marijuana . How is marijuana an old taboo? OTTOMH it was legal in the USA til the late 1920’s/early 1930’s. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/58 "2016-11-21T20:40:50Z")
Recreational sex will become legal. And after that–the knife! ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/59 "2016-11-21T21:59:55Z")
I really don’t know what to make of this thread, but to me it seems like the OP lives in a parallel universe where he’s afraid that all those crazy sexual deprivations will happen that have been normal and usual in most of THIS universe for centuries. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574/60 "2016-11-21T22:07:04Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I think Recreational Sex might be an Olympic sport by the time of the Tokyo 2020 games. The BBC got there in 1968: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Year\_of\_the\_Sex\_Olympics](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Year_of_the_Sex_Olympics) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPHqPP-SP08](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPHqPP-SP08) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-next-recreational-sex/772574.md?page=4)