# What's so great about Katie Holmes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 7, 2006, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408 "2006-11-07T10:46:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/1 "2006-11-07T10:46:46Z")
I have never seen anything she is in until **Thank you for smoking** which I thought she was below average as a very youngish looking reporter and not really beleivable at all. She looks about 18. There wasn’t even any nudity to compensate for the lack of acting. This coming from a straight woman. She is not even remarkably gorgeous or pretty or exotic. She’s just average. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/2 "2006-11-07T11:46:32Z")
Nothing, as far as I know. If it weren’t (wasn’t?) for her relationship with Tom Cruise, most of us would have never heard of her. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/3 "2006-11-07T11:52:35Z")
Who says she’s great? (apart from Tom Cruise, obviously!) As a chap I can speak with authority on complex issues like ‘how hot is she?’ 🙂 She’s a 7. (Pretty but not gorgeous.) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/4 "2006-11-07T12:07:49Z")
She was okay in _Pieces of April_ – as in, I was astonished later to realize it was the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/5 "2006-11-07T12:39:18Z")
I first saw her on SNL a few years ago. She was quite pretty in the opening sketch. But there are plenty of women that I think are more attractive. ---
**Author:** ![ASAKMOTSD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@ASAKMOTSD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASAKMOTSD)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/6 "2006-11-07T12:42:58Z")
Tom Cruise got her pregnant. Talk about Mission Impossible… ---
**Author:** ![gredbioz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6a8cbe/32.png) [@gredbioz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gredbioz)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/7 "2006-11-07T13:02:10Z")
She was just awesome in Dawson’s Creek. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/8 "2006-11-07T13:02:17Z")
Her tits. Those suckers are beauties. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/9 "2006-11-07T16:56:26Z")
[QUOTE=McNew] Her tits. Those suckers are beauties. [/QUOTE] Argh, you beat me to it. The only good thing about her. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/10 "2006-11-07T17:05:22Z")
Let’s play Word Association. You say “Katie Holmes”—I think “Weren’t her nipples in _Batman Begins_?” ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/11 "2006-11-07T17:16:38Z")
She’s the only living descendant of Sherlock. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/12 "2006-11-07T17:27:43Z")
Sad state of female acting today. All you need are great tits, average though emaciated looks, and minimal talent. Women with more talents than looks are far too often overlooked. Men, too, but IMHO it is easier for a talented but pedestrian-looking actor to get good work (Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jack Black) than for a similarly skilled actress. ---
**Author:** ![Fir\_na\_tine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Fir\_na\_tine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fir_na_tine)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/13 "2006-11-07T17:31:41Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Sad state of female acting today. All you need are great tits, average though emaciated looks, and minimal talent. [/QUOTE] Katie has wonderful tits and they complement her overall physique. She is not one of the actresses I would have ever described as emaciated. Wholesome is the word I would use. The average girl-who-lives-next-door you like to bang until her eyes popped out of her head. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/14 "2006-11-07T17:51:47Z")
I’ve seen _Batman Begins_ and _Thank You for Smoking_, and she looked Hollywood skinny to me. Not quite ‘count the ribs, collarbone-jutting’ skeletal of some actresses, but still skinny. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/15 "2006-11-07T17:55:25Z")
I think she’s more talented than Tom. I don’t for one minute believe she’s in love with him. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/16 "2006-11-07T18:00:11Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] I’ve seen _Batman Begins_ and _Thank You for Smoking_, and she looked Hollywood skinny to me. Not quite ‘count the ribs, collarbone-jutting’ skeletal of some actresses, but still skinny. [/QUOTE] Check out _The Gift_. Rrrrrrowwwrrrrr. To elaborate on my original answer to the OP, I don’t think there was ever anything necessarily great about her, other than being a nice looking wholesome girl-next-door cutie. But when big bad Tom Cruise ensnared her in his wicked web, the world rebelled in a “how can nut job TC spoil our little sweetheart” sort of way. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/17 "2006-11-07T18:11:47Z")
Yeah, to concur with many above, I’d say decent actor, very attractive, great body, all the ingredients for moderate, sorta mid-B-list success in Hollywood. She’s nowhere near the talent to pull into the class of AC-tors like your Cate Blanchetts, nor do I think she’s able to hold her own against your Scarlett Johansens. I personally would put her on par, talent-wise, with someone like Natalie Portman (whose success just baffles me, as I find her a pretty weak screen presence without her looks to prop her up). So, given Natalie’s example, I suppose it’s entirely possible she’ll earn accolades on occasion for yeoman’s work, maybe get undue adulation now and then related more to her beauty than anything, and eventually be forgotten once the next cutie who can at least fake it comes along. ---
**Author:** ![ted\_baskerville\_yahoo.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecd19e/32.png) [@ted\_baskerville\_yahoo.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ted_baskerville_yahoo.com)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/18 "2006-11-07T18:12:10Z")
It’s her tits. How to describe them? You know the Holocaust? Picture the opposite of that! ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/19 "2006-11-07T18:17:45Z")
[Pictorial](http://www.tiscali.nl/images/9/8/Katie_Holmes0121.jpg) [proof](http://www.republika.pl/katie_holmes_nude_celebs_2314/katie-holmes-010.jpg). I think Natalie’s got that ‘oomph’ that Katie lacks–Katie’s very very cute, but she just seems _too_ girl-next-door to pull off celebrity status. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408/20 "2006-11-07T18:18:42Z")
Katie Holes was riding popular culture to fame long before Tom. She is a capable, young, attractive actress with enough talent that she can play almost any young-attractive actress role, and there’s plenty of those. She had an existing fan base from _Dawson’s Creek_ and industry cred from well-chosen movie projects. Then the amorous references to her physical qualifications in _Harold and Kumar_. Then the fact that those qualifications are nearly perfect… I’d peg her at a 7 with a 9 rack [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-so-great-about-katie-holmes/379408.md?page=2)