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The Mongols really take the cake. For a somewhat complete list: Genocides in history - Wikipedia
More:
The Japanese in China, I think…combine the brutality of mass killings and forced labour with the human experiments of Unit 731 gets you somewhere close to the Shoah both in absolute numbers and scientific/industrial inhumanity. The Japanese didn’t keep all their slave labour in neat hinterland camps, but the end result was the same.
Gulags
Killing Fields
MaoistChina - Great Leap Forward/Cultural Revolution/etc. (I’m particularly an admirer, if that’s a good word for my horrified awe, of the Hundred Flowers Campaign - evil genius at work)
The Congo Free State.
Deaths estimated up to 10 million (Wikipedia)
I can’t equate those. The American slave trade did not transport humans for the purpose of killing them. The Nazi trains did.
90% according to a uni reader. I know if its not on the web it didnt happen…:dubious:
The Civil War Concentration Camps: The Civil War Concentration Camps
Does this fit?
It’s a long and ongoing debate. The reality is that army camps in that era were wretched and disease-ridden and, on the Confederate side, pretty emaciated by the latter years of the war. It’s arguable that both sides weren’t treating POW’s much worse than they were treating their own soldiers. The main difference was that POW’s stayed in one location so the unhealthy living conditions accumulated.
The slaughter in Jerusalem during the First Crusade is before the Holocaust, but had the same determined horror.
Also, the massacre and enslavements in the Americas by the Spaniards. I am reading Robinson Crusoe on audiobook during my walks. It was published in 1719, and Defoe mentions the near-universal condemnation of the Spanish actions towards the indigenous population in the Americas. (Of course, the moral impact of this is undermined in the book - the protagonist is shipwrecked on his island on his way to get slaves for his sugar plantation in Brazil).
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Shodan
I’m troubled by this thread because 1) we have become a “what can I get away with” society and 2) some people see us as a Liberal message board (although I think we have always been centerist).
If I say that we’ve come closest by doing “X”, I’m almost worried that someone out there might read that as, "See, George? We can get away with doing up to “That” and even the Liberals can’t call us NAZIs!
As long as we keep picking different groups to lock up, no one will ever catch on. Quick, put those grey uniform orders in and start production on those MP-40s… "
Don’t get me wrong, as a monument to human suffering and cruelty I hope Auschwitz-Birkenau will never be surpassed, but I do wonder if other people had the same idea but were less…successful in its implantation or if there are any other parallels elsewhere in terms of intent or enactment.
You ain’t kidding, looking up Andersonville unless you knew better you’d swear the survivors were liberated in Germany. They were soldiers not civilians, although let us not forget that among the first prisoners gassed at Auschwitz were Russian POWs.
Historically, not geographically!
Anyone that frigging stupid wouldn’t need much inspiration from here to spread such idiocy, I think.
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2-5000?
Mao= 10-40 million. Winner!
Imperial Japan= 5-30 million
Stalin= 5 to 20 million people.
Hitler= 1-5MM
Congo Free State- 1-8 Million
Pol Pot= 1 to 3 million people
Armenia- estimates vary widely, but around 1 million.
Yugoslavia; 500k- 1MM
Fascist Italy: about 200K in Ethiopia, etc
skipping down quite a bit:
Andersonville= 13,000.
Not to say that the Trail of Tears should be forgotten, but the numbers dont make it even in the top 100.
You might be underestimating some of those numbers. Only 1-5 million for Hitler?
This is my go-to resource for body count arguments:
http://www.bookofhorriblethings.com/ax02.html
White is a statistician with an interest in mass death.
Armenian genocide, Kenyan genocide, North Korean prison camps, maybe the Yugoslav situation in the 90s.
To name a few more.
Where did you get this number from? 6 million Jews + 5 million others is the standard figure.
Sad to say, but I expect this thread to be raised from zombie mode later in this century with new examples.
Those weren’t specifically for the sake of killing or making people die; the Holocaust was *specifically *all about genocide.
Ooops, typo. 10-15MM
There is some evidence that Andersonville really was about making those “Damn Yankees” suffer and die, but yes, most of those were mostly from neglect and lack of resources.
The stronger case for deliberate infliction of suffering would be against the Northern ones, such as Elmira, NY–where resources were not in short supply at all, yet men still starved and froze.
Speaking of Confederate POW camps, how about the German POW camps in the USSR? They pretty much just put all the Soviet POWs in barbed wire enclosures, without little shelter, food, or clothing, and waited.
The Japanese gave their Axis allies a good run in the “who can depopulate the bestest” game. The Second Sino-Japanese War raged from 1937-1945.
Not 56,000… Fifty six.