What's the deal with Kwanzaa

[Knorf]

@Scumpup

I teach in a predominantly black area. None of my students, nor any of their parents who were my students before them, give the impression that Kwanzaa is important to them. I can’t remember ever hearing one of them even mention Kwanzaa. Xmas, now, is a big deal. That’s very much on every kid’s mind.

So what?

[Scumpup]

@Knorf

So what?

So What.

[Knorf]

@Scumpup

So What.

Metallica! Nice.

[Scumpup]

@Knorf

Metallica! Nice.

[Shodan]

@Knorf

Who cares about the credentials or personality of the person who proposed the holiday? Shall we discuss the personality traits and negative elements for every holiday we celebrate?

Who cares whether it’s an arbitrary holiday set up with dodgy reasoning? They all were! (Excepting American Independence Day. And … uh … Nope, that’s it.)

Who cares whether no one you know in your cohort of friends and acquaintances (which is at best a small fragment of your neighborhood, let alone your city, much less your state, not to mention the whole damn country!) celebrates the holiday? Obviously someone does.

Honestly, I have to question the need for certain types to act all butt hurt about the existence of Kwanzaa. What’s it to you? Seriously.

If people want to celebrate it, let 'em. Live and let live.

It’s a War on Kwanzaa!

FoxNews won’t give a rip, but maybe we should contact BET.

Regards,
Shodan

[Truman_Burbank]

@dangerosa

now i’m picturing the “ugly kwanzaa sweater contest.” thanks.

wbagnfarb

[Knorf]

@Shodan

It’s a War on Kwanzaa!

Heh.

[Shodan]

@Skald_the_Rhymer

I am in favor of a holiday in which racist white guys give each other blowjobs while the rest of us eat steak.

How come only the white guys get the blowjobs?

Regards,
Shodan

[DrDeth]

@Stranger_On_A_Train

And Christmas is an artificial holiday based on the Roman desire to integrate the new state religion of Christianity with the existing holiday of Saturnalia.

Not true. Has nothing to do with Saturnalia. By the time they were celebrating Christmas, Saturnalia had been long gone. Not even on the same day.

[DrDeth]

I worked in Oakland for a while. No one celebrated Kwanzaa that I could see. A few displays.

[Skald_the_Rhymer]

@Shodan

How come only the white guys get the blowjobs?

Regards,
Shodan

Asked to choose between giving a blowjob, receiving a blowjob from a guy, or eating a steak, I will always take the steak.

[Scumpup]

**Skald **doesn’t indiscriminately shove just any meat in his mouth.

[That_Don_Guy]

@BobLibDem

I’m sure there are some that celebrate it. They do sell cards, and they wouldn’t sell them if nobody bought them.

@Diceman

It was started in the 1970’s by a racist black guy why felt that Christmas was the white man’s holiday, and blacks shouldn’t celebrate it, so he invented an alternative holiday.

IIRC, ironically, the man who invented Kwanzaa (at least the “American version”; supposedly, it gets its name from various African harvest celebrations) didn’t like the fact that it had become “commercialized” with Kwanzaa cards and stores selling premade Kwanzaa candle sets.

[Aji_de_Gallina]

@Stranger_On_A_Train

And Christmas is an artificial holiday based on the Roman desire to integrate the new state religion of Christianity with the existing holiday of Saturnalia.

Stranger

Nope, it isn’t; Sheldon Cooper notwithstanding.

Some aspects, particualrly gift-giving, of the week-long festival (not holiday) may have influenced Christmas traditions, but not its date. However, Christmas was not set up to integrate it.
It also wasn’t set up to replace Sol Invictus which was instituted by Aurelian after (or very close to) the spread of Dec 25 as the birth day of our Lord.
Furthermore, Dec 25 came about from the idea that Jesus was conceived on March 25th ( the Feast of the Annunciation) which is also the traditional date for the Crucifixion. His birth, then, is 9 months after March 25.

[Skald_the_Rhymer]

@Scumpup

**Skald **doesn’t indiscriminately shove just any meat in his mouth.

I believe I just said that.

[Lemmytheseal2]

@Aji_de_Gallina

Nope, it isn’t; Sheldon Cooper notwithstanding.

Some aspects, particualrly gift-giving, of the week-long festival (not holiday) may have influenced Christmas traditions, but not its date. However, Christmas was not set up to integrate it.
It also wasn’t set up to replace Sol Invictus which was instituted by Aurelian after (or very close to) the spread of Dec 25 as the birth day of our Lord.
Furthermore, Dec 25 came about from the idea that Jesus was conceived on March 25th ( the Feast of the Annunciation) which is also the traditional date for the Crucifixion. His birth, then, is 9 months after March 25.

Don’t forget Yule. The pagans were just having too much fun, so the Xians co-opted them. It wasn’t a conspiracy, that’s just the way it was done, all over the world. That’s part of why some Christian groups have opposed such holidays, or aspects of them. Easter is Eostre/Ostara, and so on. The cathedrals are often on pagan sites.

It’s all just made-up nonsense anyway.

[DrDeth]

@Lemmytheseal2

Easter is Eostre/Ostara, and so on. .

Probably not. Yes, the Venerable Bede did say “Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated “Paschal month”, and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance.”
But that’s the only period mention, anywhere of that Goddess or that Etymology. No bunnies, no eggs (thats a Lenten custom) nothing. So, perhaps we get the name of the Holiday from a Goddess who gave her name to a month. (or not) . Nothing is known of Eostre, and it’s quite possible that The Bede just got his story wrong.

However, that’s no different from “Good Friday”. No one thinks that Holy Day has anything to do with Frigg.

[DinoR]

@Aji_de_Gallina

Furthermore, Dec 25 came about from the idea that Jesus was conceived on March 25th ( the Feast of the Annunciation) which is also the traditional date for the Crucifixion. His birth, then, is 9 months after March 25.

Except the pieces actually in the Bible reference shepherds in the fields with their flocks and a Roman census as the only clues for date. Neither of those are particularly consistent with December when the weather is crappy. There was plenty of disagreement in the early church about the date of Jesus’ birth. There’s still disagreement. There’s almost nothing in the supposed source document to really say.

[Skald_the_Rhymer]

@DrDeth

However, that’s no different from “Good Friday”. No one thinks that Holy Day has anything to do with Frigg.

Some people do. My idiot brother (as opposed to my non-idiot brother) totally buys into the notion that Easter is all about Frigg, and thus insists on calling it Resurrection Sunday.

Admittedly my baby sister also calls Easter Resurrection Sunday, but she is not an idiot and I love her, so anyone who calls her an idiot is requesting a slap.

[DrDeth]

@DinoR

Except the pieces actually in the Bible reference shepherds in the fields with their flocks and a Roman census as the only clues for date. Neither of those are particularly consistent with December when the weather is crappy.

Dude- it’s Israel, not England. The weather in December is very dry, with temps 40-60 degrees F. Sheep are just fine.

Yes, the calc was based upon when JC was conceived and then worked backwards. It could well be wrong. The odds are against it being right, for sure.