# What's the Official Mod ruling on "Drumpf"? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 9, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392 "2016-03-09T10:57:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/141 "2016-03-13T08:10:24Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > FTFY is sophomoric bullshit and should be banned on every serious discussion board. I feel the same way about LMGTFY. URL redirects in general are not something I like. Using one to be a passive-aggressive asshole? I would gladly make that a banning offense. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/142 "2016-03-13T08:51:25Z")
LMGTFY (or even just saying how easily something can be googled) isn’t permitted in GQ. If the answer is that easy to google, just google it and post the answer. This is specifically mentioned in the General Questions Rules & FAQs sticky at the top of the forum. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/143 "2016-03-13T14:10:18Z")
The rules in use on this board for adjusting quoted text (ellipses, bracket, and noting added emphasis) are a historical standard, and any forum that does not require them is untrustworthy and intellectually dishonest. **You just can’t claim people said something that they did not say**. (Well, obviously, you can but it’s wrong and deceitful, and you will get caught and called out for it.) People try this technique in debates a lot, but it is less and less successful, given how easy it is to disprove. I’ve noticed a new strategy, claiming the changed - pardon me, “paraphrased” - quote means the same thing, but, obviously, it doesn’t or it wouldn’t have been changed. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/144 "2016-03-13T15:47:28Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > ISTM I’ve seen mod notes for political jabs in IMHO too, or maybe MPSIMS. IIRC, I think I myself got one once. > > What is the rule for political jabs in IMHO and MPSIMS? In MPSIMS it is not expressly forbidden however it depends on the thread. Depending on the subject it could easily be a threadshit or hijack. Sorry, but it’s not as clear cut in MPSIMS as it is in GQ. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/145 "2016-03-13T15:56:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > There is no specific rule, but political jabs could lead to a hijack and should generally be avoided. For specifics you’ll have to ask the mods of those forums. There is a rule against political jabs in breaking news stories in MPSIMS (see the sticky). I believe that political jabs are not allowed in Cafe Society either, right? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/146 "2016-03-13T16:05:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I believe that political jabs are not allowed in Cafe Society either, right? Again, it depends. If it’s being a jerk, a hijack, or threadshitting, then it’s a problem. I’m having trouble thinking of a scenario in cafe society in which a political jab would be ok, but it’s possible, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/147 "2016-03-13T16:07:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I believe that political jabs are not allowed in Cafe Society either, right? [More or less](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6770034&postcount=8). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/148 "2016-03-13T16:29:56Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Again, it depends. If it’s being a jerk, a hijack, or threadshitting, then it’s a problem. I’m having trouble thinking of a scenario in cafe society in which a political jab would be ok, but it’s possible, I guess. A jab is, pretty much by definition, jerkish. I suppose a political joke needn’t be, though. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/149 "2016-03-13T16:39:19Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > A jab is, pretty much by definition, jerkish. I suppose a political joke needn’t be, though. Yeah. That’s where the judgement call comes in- what’s the overall tone of the thread, does the comment cross a line, is it directed at posters or others etc. that’s the hard part of making those calls. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/150 "2016-03-13T16:56:10Z")
If I have an app that replaces “Big T” with “regards Shodan” or “lets go down to the quarry and throw shit in there” will I get modded? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/151 "2016-03-13T22:01:03Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The one I started this chain responding to: > > [snip] > > That’s someone acting like it’s stupid to disagree with a rule or how it is punished. No, that’s someone pointing out that if you are aware of what the rule is and keep violating it anyway, you will get punished. If you disagree with a rule and how it is punished, make your case to persuade people. But in the meantime, don’t expect to get away with continuing to violate the rule. > [@](#): > > I did point out that I think the quote rule is a bad rule, but I did not in any way advocate that it be changed. Wait, you think the rule is bad, but you don’t want it changed? So you like bad rules? [Quote=BigT] And I continue to note that you haven’t answered my question. No mod has directly, but as I can see no rules saying otherwise, I will be releasing my extension, and I will mention it so that those who want to use it can. Since it doesn’t affect the board in any way, you shouldn’t have any problem with it. [/quote] I’m surprised you thought you had to ask permission for this. As you say, it doesn’t violate any rules. > [@Shalmanese](#): > > 1. I absolutely support the rule that any human initiated change to a quoted post should be punished but I feel that machine caused changes should be treated differently because they don’t carry intent. So if I make an app that automatically changes every instance of “Black Lives Matter” to “Penises Matter” or every instance of “Christian” to “Poopyhead”, I should get a pass when my app changes quotes from other people? Because the app did it, so I didn’t intend to change someone else’s words, but I still changed their words, and the quote still says something they disagree with and kinda makes fun of them in the process, but it’s not my fault, it’s my app’s fault? That’s really the position you’re defending? Look, it was human initiated when the human installed and activated the app without regards to how it works, and uses the app knowing it can and will change quotes. **You** are responsible for your posts, even if you decide to use an app or a feature to make things easier or funnier for yourself. > [@](#): > > 1. The specific circumstance of this plugin make it specifically hard to stay in compliance with this rule, even if I wanted to. For one, I don’t know if the poster I’m quoting actually said Trump or Drumpf since they both look the same to me, Maybe me manually correcting Drumpf to Trump actually modifies their quote. Secondly, until I was notified in this thread, I had no idea it actually modified the actual text and not just my view of it. Both scenarios look exactly the same to me. Thirdly, it takes something like 8 or 9 clicks each time I want to toggle on or off the extension. That’s an absurd amount of effort that I’m simply not going to take every time just to stay in compliance. Simple. Don’t use an app that causes you to violate the rules, or accept punishment for violating the rules. > [@](#): > > Like I said before, I don’t see an easy, good answer to this. But punishing people for it strikes me as an incredibly bad one in a lot of different ways. **BigT** provided an easy answer that allows you to continue to see “Drumpf” everywhere but not change quote boxes. > [@BigT](#): > > For example, **I think that Jonathan Chance could have just posted the sticky (minus the part telling people to uninstall the extension), and not issued the Warning.** I think he could have asked the various tech people on the Dope whether there was a way to fix the issue, and included that information in the sticky, instead of stating only three options (one of which actually being practical). Why is it **Jonathan Chance** ’s, or any moderator’s, responsibility to find a way to make a 3rd party app installed on individual browsers work compatibly with the rules here? It’s not a feature on this board, it’s something the user installs on their own to their own computer. **Jonathan Chance** listed the obvious answers. They may not be satisfying, but they are the ones he can provide. > [@BigT](#): > > Again, it’s obvious on the face of it that the solution was to install a better addon or fix the old one. Yet no one advocates for that. So you’re expecting the moderators to step forward and volunteer to create a new add on, or a fix to the one that is out there? Why is it their responsibility to do anything with third party add ons? > [@](#): > > Hell, I’ve mentioned the addon multiple times, and yet not a single person seems to care. Because it’s not about fixing the board. It’s about how people think the addon is childish. How come it is the responsibility of the board moderators to advocate for a third party add on? Has **Shalmanese** , or any party who wants a Drumpfinator app, thanked you? Said they’d use your fix? Or have they ignored you, too? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/152 "2016-03-13T22:27:23Z")
Poor Big T. The big app he comes up with is the equivalent of thalidomide. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/153 "2016-03-13T23:04:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > In MPSIMS it is not expressly forbidden however it depends on the thread. Depending on the subject it could easily be a threadshit or hijack. Sorry, but it’s not as clear cut in MPSIMS as it is in GQ. For what it’s worth, the same applies in IMHO. The context of the thread would matter a great deal. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/154 "2016-03-13T23:54:23Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > … > > [QUOTE=Shalmanese] > > 1. I absolutely support the rule that any human initiated change to a quoted post should be punished but I feel that machine caused changes should be treated differently because they don’t carry intent. So if I make an app that automatically changes every instance of “Black Lives Matter” to “Penises Matter” or every instance of “Christian” to “Poopyhead”, I should get a pass when my app changes quotes from other people? Because the app did it, so I didn’t intend to change someone else’s words, but I still changed their words, and the quote still says something they disagree with and kinda makes fun of them in the process, but it’s not my fault, it’s my app’s fault? That’s really the position you’re defending? Look, it was human initiated when the human installed and activated the app without regards to how it works, and uses the app knowing it can and will change quotes. **You** are responsible for your posts, even if you decide to use an app or a feature to make things easier or funnier for yourself. [/QUOTE] Exactly. And, how are the mods supposed to know if the change was done by a human or by an app? If apps are allowed to change text in a quote box, that’s a perfect out for everyone who changes text: “I have this app that changes the text, mods, honest, so you can’t note me for that.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/155 "2016-03-14T00:06:26Z")
Maybe we can replace the mods with apps. If you get a waring you shouldn’t have gotten, too bad. The app did it!!! ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/156 "2016-03-14T00:08:17Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Maybe we can replace the mods with apps. If you get a waring you shouldn’t have gotten, too bad. The app did it!!! Heh. 🙂 PS. I’m probably about to get banned for “free speech”…so stay tuned…gawd I love irony so late in the evening. It’s like napalm but better. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/157 "2016-03-14T02:36:09Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Heh. 🙂 > > PS. I’m probably about to get banned for “free speech”…so stay tuned…gawd I love irony so late in the evening. It’s like napalm but better. Sometime when you’re not drunk, you should ask someone to explain what irony is. And free speech. And while you’re at it, napalm. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/158 "2016-03-14T03:19:53Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > If I have an app that replaces “Big T” with “regards Shodan” or “lets go down to the quarry and throw shit in there” will I get modded? 🙂 No, but possibly eviscerated by some. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/159 "2016-03-14T03:24:31Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > If I have an app that replaces “Big T” with “regards Shodan” or “lets go down to the quarry and throw shit in there” will I get modded? 🙂 No but if you make one that replaces “regards shodan” with a blank, I’d appreciate it!😃 ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-official-mod-ruling-on-drumpf/748392/160 "2016-03-14T04:20:39Z")
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