# what's the root of the whole "Jews have horns" thing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 1, 2005, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768 "2005-02-01T14:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/1 "2005-02-01T14:07:20Z")
I keep hearing it referenced jokingly - but was it actually a myth that Jews had horns? ---
**Author:** ![J8099](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c89c15/32.png) [@J8099](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J8099)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/2 "2005-02-01T14:11:54Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > I keep hearing it referenced jokingly - but was it actually a myth that Jews had horns? Yes, it was a myth. Christian painters in the Middle Ages would paint Jews as having horns–even at the Crucifixion, if I remember right. ---
**Author:** ![Cub\_Mistress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@Cub\_Mistress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cub_Mistress)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/3 "2005-02-01T14:14:04Z")
I have heard it from some very elderly people in rural areas. When they were children, they were told that Jewish men had horns that they covered with their hats. Where it originated, I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/4 "2005-02-01T14:14:49Z")
Didn’t it all start because of some misunderstanding of a local idiom? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/5 "2005-02-01T14:21:27Z")
[This](http://jdstone.org/cr/files/picture.htm%5B/url) is what I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/6 "2005-02-01T14:21:57Z")
My understanding is that it started with a mistranslastion (or misinterpretation) of a line in **Exodus** , where Moses is described as having “rays of light” coming from his face after meeting with God on Sinai. Somehow this got turned into “horns”. Michaelangelo may have given this a boost (although intentionally or not, I don’t know) with his sculpture of **Moses**. He depicts the lawgiver with two large mounds of hai that look kinda like, well, horns. Or maybe they’re concealing horns. I’ve heard reports that people out in rural areas actually believed that Jews had horns, but these were always umpteen-hand anonymous reports, and that reeks of urban legend (rural legend?). ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/7 "2005-02-01T14:22:59Z")
Michaelangelo’s **Moses** : [http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/michelan/p-michel22.htm](http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/michelan/p-michel22.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/8 "2005-02-01T14:25:56Z")
[fixed link](http://jdstone.org/cr/files/picture.html) ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/9 "2005-02-01T15:02:04Z")
The verse in question is Exodus 34:35, which states _ki qaran or p’nei Moshe_. _ki_ = because _or_ = light _p’nei_ = face _Moshe_ = Moses. That leaves the word _qaran_. In context, the word means “shone” (as one would expect with the following word, “light,” and that would explain why Moses wore a veil). However, the Hebrew word for horn, _keren_ has the same root as the word “shone,” which could easily cause a translator to make a mistake and say that his face shone with “horns of light.” In any event, when I was in college my then-girlfriend/now-wife and I used to volunteer in the college’s Emergency Medical Squad. One time we were both in the squad helping to orient a new trainee. At some point I had to leave to go to class. I found out later that after I left, the new trainee asked her if my horns were hidden under my _yarmulke_. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/10 "2005-02-01T15:05:15Z")
And just as a quick aside, I don’t know how the myth became extended to all Jews. Even if you will hold the position that Moses had literal, as-Michealangelo-sculpted-them horns, it should have no effect on the rest of the Jewish population as Moses was not the progenitor of the Jewish people and the vast majority of Jews in the world today are not descended from him. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/11 "2005-02-01T15:06:10Z")
Interesting! Thanks for the informed replies. But doesn’t it seem a little…well, _stupid_ for the translators to mix it up like that? It seems like someone would say, “Hey, people don’t have horns!” and take a closer look at the text or something. If I were translating some Spanish to English and came out with a line that said, “Pepe had a fin growing out of his back,” I think my first assumption would be that I had mixed up something in translation, rather than, “well, Mexicans must have fins!” ---
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But, but… it was in the _Bible_… ---
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> [@zev\_steinhardt](#): > > That leaves the word _qaran_. In context, the word means “shone” (as one would expect with the following word, “light,” and that would explain why Moses wore a veil). However, the Hebrew word for horn, _keren_ has the same root as the word “shone,” which could easily cause a translator to make a mistake and say that his face shone with “horns of light.” In fact, both “horn” and “ray” are the exact same word in Hebrew - _keren_. Same spelling, same root, same everything. I suppose it’s from sunrays being metaphorically the horns of the sun. I’m also pretty sure that it’s the origin of the name “Karen”. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/14 "2005-02-01T16:12:02Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’m also pretty sure that it’s the origin of the name “Karen”. [Slight hijack]It’s actually a short form of Katherine. (According to [this site](http://www.behindthename.com/php/view.php?name=karen) a Danish form.) ---
**Author:** ![BurnMeUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@BurnMeUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BurnMeUp)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/15 "2005-02-01T16:14:06Z")
The strange part is after living in Utah for a long time and then meeting with people who live in other states, the legend has also morphed into Mormons having horns. I have no idea why this is. ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/16 "2005-02-01T16:24:24Z")
Those _kipot_\* don’t stay on by themselves, you know. \*yarmulkes ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/17 "2005-02-01T16:33:50Z")
> [@zev\_steinhardt](#): > > …it should have no effect on the rest of the Jewish population as Moses was not the progenitor of the Jewish people and the vast majority of Jews in the world today are not descended from him. Yes, but if you asked a non-Jewish person on the street to name a biblical Jew, you’d probably hear Moses, over and over again. There’s been big popular movies about Moses and very few about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/18 "2005-02-01T16:34:29Z")
Call me stupid, but it seems to me that a misconception of this magnitude should have been pretty easy to clear up. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/19 "2005-02-01T17:26:19Z")
> [@Exgineer](#): > > Call me stupid, but it seems to me that a misconception of this magnitude should have been pretty easy to clear up. Well, if you live in rural areas where Jews aren’t common (or present at all), and are Catholic (I’m thinking Renaissance Europe, here), it’s easier to understand. A long trend of anti-Semitism [sic?] combined with ignorance could lead to a stupid idea like this getting spread. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768/20 "2005-02-01T17:29:13Z")
Oops, I didn’t mean to imply that Catholicism and anti-Semitism are synonymous. What I meant was that many rural (and urban) Christians–mostly Catholic–in the time of Michaelangelo believed bad things about the Jews. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-root-of-the-whole-jews-have-horns-thing/287768.md?page=2)