# What's the Straight Dope about this "Conspiracy" **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 18, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933 "2011-06-18T13:46:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Simple\_Mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Simple\_Mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Mind)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/1 "2011-06-18T13:46:01Z")
A friend of mine has directed me to this short 17 pages E-Book, THE REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN © 2002 by G. Edward Griffin, one can down load it for free at this site: [http://www.pdfebooksdownloads.com/The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island.html](http://www.pdfebooksdownloads.com/The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island.html) I have read it and it’s about a “Conspiracy” which is incorporating everything, from environment issues to poverty and terrorism to justify a “one World Government”, mentioning many important people in Politics and Business. Is there any truth in it? That would be really scary:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/2 "2011-06-18T14:17:56Z")
I don’t need to read it to completely disbelieve it. And neither do you. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/3 "2011-06-18T14:31:05Z")
Finally, we’ve found it. This is what our top minds have been working on for years. It will revolutionize your modern lifestyle, provide answers to all of your questions, and make your teeth sparkle. It is the Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/4 "2011-06-18T14:31:43Z")
It appears to be a work of fiction: [http://www.parascope.com/articles/1296/iron.htm](http://www.parascope.com/articles/1296/iron.htm) by [Leonard Lewin](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_C._Lewin). ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/5 "2011-06-18T14:38:17Z")
No, not fiction, satire. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/6 "2011-06-18T14:42:14Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > No, not fiction, satire. And Poe’s Law strikes again. IIRC, the original book title – and it was more than 17 pages – was “Report from Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace.” When it first came out, probably because of a serious lack of Internet, it was clearly understood to be a satire. Nowdays, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/7 "2011-06-18T15:30:35Z")
Looking around at what passes for public discourse in this country, the inability to separate reality from satire doesn’t seen limited to the tinfoil hat brigade. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/8 "2011-06-18T15:36:37Z")
MPSIMS: I saw some 9/11 Truthers holding a large yellow banner off an overpass yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/9 "2011-06-18T15:47:02Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > [T]he original book title…was “Report from Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace.” If it is indeed satire, then they got the title down spot on. Conspiracy treatises almost always have this kind of title, attempting to give some kind of Aristotelian validity to otherwise scatter-brained exposition. It’s the kind of title they think an earth-shattering treatise is supposed to have. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/10 "2011-06-18T15:47:38Z")
For Pete’s sake, the hoax has its own [Wiki page](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_from_Iron_Mountain). How can anyone even ask the question without checking Wiki or doing a Google? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/11 "2011-06-18T16:14:08Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > When it first came out, probably because of a serious lack of Internet, it was clearly understood to be a satire. No, actually: It’s been a staple of the consipiracist worldview ever since its release. It’s quite famous in those circles, in fact, and is known to many people who don’t even follow all that many specific conspiracy theories. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/12 "2011-06-18T16:29:07Z")
Hey, now, just because it was written as satire doesn’t meant it’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/13 "2011-06-18T17:19:25Z")
Isn’t there considerable overlap between satire and fiction? Gulliver’s Travels is clearly both. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/14 "2011-06-18T17:26:34Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > How can anyone even ask the question without checking Wiki or doing a Google? The Lizard People told me not to. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Simple\_Mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Mind)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/15 "2011-06-19T00:47:07Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > Hey, now, just because it was written as satire doesn’t meant it’s not true. Now I am a bit confused, you seem to be the only one that does not tell right a way that it is not true, do you have any reason for that? I am very much aware of how the World looks today and I would not be surprised if some powerful people would try something like that, its like curing cancer, if you don’t start the treatment then the cancer will eventually kill the host, would a intelligent being(Humans) not realize that at some point and take action to prevent the death of the host.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/16 "2011-06-19T01:19:06Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > It appears to be a work of fiction: [http://www.parascope.com/articles/1296/iron.htm](http://www.parascope.com/articles/1296/iron.htm) by [Leonard Lewin](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_C._Lewin). That’s what the Masons want you to believe. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/17 "2011-06-20T14:26:32Z")
😉 ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-about-this-conspiracy/585933/18 "2011-06-20T15:51:32Z")
> [@Simple\_Mind](#): > > Now I am a bit confused, you seem to be the only one that does not tell right a way that it is not true, do you have any reason for that? He was joking.