# What's the straight dope on J.D. Vance and couches/eyeliner? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479 "2024-08-09T15:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/21 "2024-08-09T20:58:51Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > There’s a difference between wearing guyliner and having thick eyelashes. Big difference. Cite for this? Because there is evidence that contradicts your statement. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/22 "2024-08-09T21:09:46Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Cite for this? Because there is evidence that contradicts your statement. Yeah. The cite is my eyeballs. There’s a difference between lashes growing from your lower lid and a painted on dark line on your lower lid. I would think anyone could see this. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/23 "2024-08-09T21:10:13Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Yeah. The cite is my eyeballs. This is Factual Questions, and your eyeballs aren’t a great cite. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/24 "2024-08-09T21:10:42Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > This is Factual Questions, and your eyeballs aren’t a great cite. Try your own then. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/25 "2024-08-09T21:18:52Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Try your own then. There was the example already given of Nestor Carbonell. He does _not_ wear eyeliner. Zac Efron is another example. Here is a study showing how eyelash length has become a symbol of attractiveness across ethnicities as an evolutionary advantage. > **[Eyelash length attractiveness across ethnicities](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10491613/)** > > Eyelashes evolved to protect eyes. An optimum eyelash length functions to protect eyes from external hazards such as contaminations, excessive evaporation or shear stress from airflow. They can also be an indicator of a person's health as various... The point of showing that is because what eyeliner is trying to imitate is _long eyelashes_. Men have longer eyelashes than women on average. > **[Here’s Why Men Have Longer Eyelashes Than Women](https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/why-do-men-have-longer-eyelashes)** > > It’s the same reason they have more back hair, it’s just much more alluring in this case > **[Revealed! This Is Why Men Have Longer Eyelashes](https://thebrownladysays.medium.com/revealed-this-is-why-men-have-longer-eyelashes-7da43543172d)** > > Have you ever looked at your boyfriend, brother or even a friend and felt Damn! You don’t even need those pretty long lashes. Ladies, most… > **[Why Do Men Have Longer Eyelashes: Unraveling Nature's Secret](https://vietnamlash.com/why-do-men-have-longer-eyelashes/)** > > Let’s discover the intriguing science behind: “Why do men have longer eyelashes?” in our in-depth exploration. Let's dive in This is a simple observation repeated over and over. This gives some men who have particularly long and dark eyelashes the appearance of wearing eyeliner (which again, is meant to imitate that same visual effect). I could go on, but I am not making these things up. I’m curious what you have to counter this aside from your own opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/26 "2024-08-09T21:28:07Z")
Thank you for your examples. I have no cites beyond my own observation, so that may not be convincing enough for you. What I notice in Vance’s case is that his colouring does not seem to be consistent. Sometimes the guyliner is thicker, sometimes thinner. I did read that Trump was impressed by his eyes (budding bromance?) The site does not allow me to embed photos or articles, otherwise I would show you some. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/27 "2024-08-09T21:33:14Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > What I notice in Vance’s case is that his colouring does not seem to be consistent. Sometimes the guyliner is thicker, sometimes thinner. That sounds like the kind of thing you’d expect with a natural feature like eyelashes. My eyelashes definitely look different in different lighting, or if, say, I’ve been rubbing my eyes when I had allergies, and so on. > [@Biffster](#): > > I did read that Trump was impressed by his eyes (budding bromance?) I don’t think that has much relevance to the questions in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/28 "2024-08-09T21:34:37Z")
Who cares if he wears eyeliner. People have been applying makeup and doing things with skin tanning and shine. Enhancing their looks for stage and screen appearances for years. There’s ways to do it better than some. If you look like Alice Cooper for a spot on Sunday morning news shows, it’s time to rethink your stylist. If Vance’s eyes are just like that, that fine too. I don’t think he’s good looking. I think he looks like the asshole he is. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/29 "2024-08-09T21:36:50Z")
Reminds me a little of Ricky Gervais when he sang for that 80s band. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/30 "2024-08-09T21:39:04Z")
I don’t know if it’s relevant, but Latanoprost eye drops, which is used to reduce abnormally high intraocular pressure, also [causes eyelashes to grow longer](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12422916/). I learned this recently at the ophthalmologist’s office when the nurse told me that the Latanoprost that I take is probably responsible for my eyelashes being so long. I was surprised, both because I hadn’t known that Latanoprost has this effect, and because I didn’t know that my eyelashes are longer than normal. ---
**Author:** ![mozchron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mozchron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mozchron)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/31 "2024-08-09T22:06:50Z")
Nobody believes that Vance fucked a couch. But it’s “believable”. The point is that he looks and acts like a guy where the accusation sounds plausible. He looks like a couch fucker and if the accusation was true nobody would be surprised. Also, for everyone “disappointed” that the Dems are using dirty tricks, fuck that noise. I am glad that FINALLY the Dems are fighting fire with fire. I am sick and tired of going high when they go low, and then losing. Time to get into the mud and rumble. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/32 "2024-08-09T22:26:09Z")
> [@mozchron](#): > > Also, for everyone “disappointed” that the Dems are using dirty tricks, fuck that noise. I am glad that FINALLY the Dems are fighting fire with fire. I am sick and tired of going high when they go low, and then losing. Time to get into the mud and rumble. Fully agree with this!! The last time we tried the whole “_They go low. We go high_” thing, it didn’t work out so well. You have to meet the opponent on their terms sometimes if you want to beat them at their own game. That said, we can take the higher road when it comes to substantial issues. Let them spin cycles defending against stupid stuff while people are laughing at them. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Who cares if he wears eyeliner. It matters because he has been trying to taint Walz as somehow effeminate for leading changes in Minnesota to have tampons available free at schools. The eyeliner thing is just shoving it back in his, uh, eye! ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/33 "2024-08-09T22:31:57Z")
I’ll wait until JD Vance releases the long form of his book until I make a judgement. But it is suspicious that he has not offered the long form book yet. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/34 "2024-08-09T22:40:14Z")
I mean presumably all male politicians wear some kind of “make up” nowadays just like tv personalities do. Though the point no one is trying to score points by claiming Walz wears make up as you except him to laugh and make a dad joke about it. You expect JD Vance to get pissy and storm off in a huff. TBH none of this makes any difference to their suitability to be VP. And actually that fills me with joy. The Democrats have finally got it. Election campaigns are not about substance they are a popularity contest where vibes and image are all that matters. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/35 "2024-08-09T22:40:31Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Who cares if he wears eyeliner. The sort of people who say things like “Leaning down to kiss your wife is a feminine trait” and think Taylor Swift is trans because she’s taller than they are, who might be convinced not to vote if they could be persuaded that Vance doesn’t meet their twisted definition of masculinity. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/36 "2024-08-10T00:00:07Z")
This isn’t new, but the interwebs, outrage algorithms and social media have made it much easier? It’s always been hard to counter. And, if one already doesn’t like the candidate or they are on the “other side that must be stopped”, and it comes across as “plausible”, then one may easily accept the unfounded accusation as “truth”. AKA “Make the Sonofabitch deny it”: The Rise of ‘Pig Fucker Politics’ In “Fear and Loathing On The Campaign Trail ’72,” Hunter S. Thompson chronicled Senator George McGovern’s failed Presidential bid. In discussing McGovern’s distaste for ‘dirty politics’ that undermined his ability to hit back, Thompson regaled his readers with a famous story of Lyndon B. Johnson–who purportedly created a ridiculous rumor about his opponent [on purpose](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/hunter-s-thompson-passage-particularly-poignant-light-david-cameron-and-pig-story-10510787.html): ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/37 "2024-08-10T00:58:36Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > The original joke post quoted page and verse from his memoir, but _nobody bothered to look it up before repeating it_ as fact. Who the hell owns his book? Not most of the people who saw the tweet. > [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Biffster](#): > > > > Yeah. The cite is my eyeballs. > > This is Factual Questions, and your eyeballs aren’t a great cite. I back that citation. It’s a pretty obvious difference if the person is in front of you. And i find long thick eyelashes on a guy very attractive, and have spent a fair amount of time looking at them. I’ve never seen a good enough photo of Vance to have an opinion one way or the other, but if i met him in person i would certainly know whether he was wearing eyeliner at the time I’m kinda shocked that anyone is disputing this. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/38 "2024-08-10T01:00:41Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Who the hell owns his book? Not most of the people who saw the tweet. Besides, everyone knows the deleted scenes on the DVD of the movie are the authoritative version of the story. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/39 "2024-08-10T03:27:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The sort of people who say things like “Leaning down to kiss your wife is a feminine trait” Wait, what? So what does a manly man do if he’s taller than his wife, make her jump? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479/40 "2024-08-10T03:30:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > Who the hell owns his book? Not most of the people who saw the tweet. > > Besides, everyone knows the deleted scenes on the DVD of the movie are the authoritative version of the story. 🙂 “Does anyone else remember the original ending to Hillbilly Elegy, where JD Vance bangs a couch?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-straight-dope-on-j-d-vance-and-couches-eyeliner/1005479.md?page=3)