# What's the trick to Persian girls? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 25, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596 "2007-04-25T15:24:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/121 "2007-04-28T14:21:15Z")
If you know her as well as you say, wouldn’t it be fair to say that she also knows you fairly well? And while she may like you, she may also have figured out that you’re the sort of person who would solicit advice on how to fuck her from an internet message board full of strangers. Some women find that off-putting, I hear. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/122 "2007-04-28T19:09:27Z")
[QUOTE=pizzabrat] I’m surprised by the abundance of neutral to positive responses. [/QUOTE] No, no you’re not. Not at all. :mad: > [@Grossbottom](#): > > Your difficulty with understanding the ability to objectify someone sexually while at the same time loving them as a friend and more appears to be the ignorance at work in our particular back and forth. Personally, I find the thought of being in any other sort of romantic relationship repellant and boring. And you wonder why we consider you a misogynist? When you truly care about someone, especially as a friend, you don’t “objectify” them in any way. You may be sexually attracted, but talking about said person in the following ways: > [@](#): > > liberating that ass > [@](#): > > tap my friend’s perfect ass > [@](#): > > banging a chick Perhaps you shouldn’t refer to her as just “that perfect ass” and whatnot. It has nothing to do with feminism. It has to do with treating someone as a human being. You sound like you’re only friends with her because you just want to get into her panties. You see her not as an individual person, but just as a “Persian girl”, as if every Persian girl is the same, and there’s some sort of “trick” to get them into bed. Want a casual sexual relationship? No problem. Referring to a friend as just some hot chick you want to bang? Not cool. Not cool at all, dude. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2007, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/123 "2007-04-28T21:10:11Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] Try singing Klingon Love Songs to her. It might not _work_, but at least you’ll have memorized several Klingon Love Songs, & that’s always good, right? [/QUOTE] If it works, he better be ready to start ducking the heavy thrown objects then… 😉 whatever you do, don’t tell her “HaB SosIl Qch!”, it won’t end well… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2007, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/124 "2007-04-28T22:10:41Z")
[QUOTE=Grossbottom] She says she’d never date an Arab and her fiance is, properly speaking, Syrian rather than Persian. [/QUOTE] If his ethnicity is Syrian, [he’s an Arab.](http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0850056.html) Ain’t irony grand? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/125 "2007-04-29T06:30:39Z")
[QUOTE=pizzabrat] I’m surprised by the abundance of neutral to positive responses. Are Anaamika the only ones who are absolutely nauseated by the OP (well, Anaamika didn’t say she was nauseated, but I was thinking some of the things she said)? “I’ve had my share of tough projects, extracted my share of Indian/Greek/Chinese girls out from under their daddys’ noses, I’m not completely unskilled when it comes to the more delicate points and imperialistic overtones of interethnic romance.” That’s freaking disgusting - and the faux-irony is completely disingenuous. [/QUOTE] Oh, you’re not alone in your disgust. Guys that used to talk to me like this(in college) got a withering look and a “with what?” in response to their statement that they wanted to tap my ass. I was then usually called “frigid bitch.” How annihilating. Somehow I soldiered on. The OP seems to be that kind of guy. None of my guy friends would refer to their prospective girlfriends or wives in such a way–or any woman, really. The guys that do are usually referred to as assholes. I see no reason here to change that practice. Persian girl shows solid judgement (except for having him as a friend). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/126 "2007-04-29T12:11:42Z")
I’d also like to clear up that I don’t have a problem with joking around and saying things like, “Damn, I’d like to fuck him six ways to Sunday,” or whatever. It’s when you start TREATING people as pieces of meat, and you’re actually serious, not just goofing around. Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/127 "2007-04-29T14:34:36Z")
[QUOTE=pizzabrat] I’m surprised by the abundance of neutral to positive responses. Are Anaamika the only ones who are absolutely nauseated by the OP (well, Anaamika didn’t say she was nauseated, but I was thinking some of the things she said)? [/QUOTE] I too am disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![Grossbottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@Grossbottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grossbottom)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/128 "2007-04-29T18:21:07Z")
[QUOTE=Dante] If you know her as well as you say, wouldn’t it be fair to say that she also knows you fairly well? And while she may like you, she may also have figured out that you’re the sort of person who would solicit advice on how to fuck her from an internet message board full of strangers. [/QUOTE] She may have, but I’m more concerned about how you manage to make the art of threadshitting look like such hard work. It’s like you’re about to pop a blood vessel over there. Remember to stay loose, try to keep it to one sentence, light and breezy, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Three pages of some really good stuff in here, so you should study. > [@eleanorigby](#): > > Persian girl shows solid judgement (except for having him as a friend). Strawman. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > And you wonder why we consider you a misogynist? No. But what I can say is that your post is one of the most learned comments to this thread from one of the most qualified contributors in it. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/129 "2007-04-29T18:34:16Z")
Watch out, **Guin** --he’ll want to know the secret into how to enter _your_ meatbox! (and I agree with you re the joking around, but this isn’t joking around). ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/130 "2007-04-29T18:55:33Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] Persians/Iranians are notorious for not marrying outside their ethnicity. Fool around, sure. But marry, no way, unless they’re prepared to cut off all ties with their families. So let her know that you’re interested in a sex-only relationship with no possibility of anything deeper, and she’ll be all over it. Or it could be that she’s not that into you. [/QUOTE] Hit the nail right on the head. OP- I’ve dated an Iranian myself, sex was good, relationship wise it was kinda boring, after I broke up with her I kept in contact, but then realised she was into guys who were rich (she even said this to me) although I don’t think they’re notorious for not marryin’ outside their race, I do know they’re notorious for marrying rich guys. Well, better start earnin, they’re fucking hot. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![truthpizza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@truthpizza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthpizza)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/131 "2007-04-29T21:54:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Guinastasia** > I’d also like to clear up that I don’t have a problem with joking around and saying things like, “Damn, I’d like to fuck him six ways to Sunday,” or whatever. It’s when you start TREATING people as pieces of meat, and you’re actually serious, not just goofing around. Does that make sense? I agree with this totally. To this point however, while **Grossbottom** has referred to the Persian woman in terms that are sexual and politically incorrect, I have seen no evidence that he has or would treat her with disrespect or that he would do anything that he thought would hurt her. Perhaps he will offer us his thoughts on these questions. As a male, I often think of women in sexual terms, but this does not in any way imply that I don’t respect their talents, skills, opinions, achievements, or contributions or that I wouldn’t trust one to be President or a heart surgeon who holds my life in her hands. It also doesn’t mean that I am not concerned about their happiness and welfare and whether they are treated fairly by our culture. Unfortunately some misguided feminists have promoted the idea that if men ever refer to women in sexual terms that it “objectifies” them, implying disrespect/sexism/misogyny. While there are certainly misogynistic and sexist men, this isn’t an adequate way to identify them. ---
**Author:** ![Aangelica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Aangelica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aangelica)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/132 "2007-04-29T22:06:53Z")
[QUOTE=truthpizza] As a male, I often think of women in sexual terms, but this does not in any way imply that I don’t respect their talents, skills, opinions, achievements, or contributions or that I wouldn’t trust one to be President or a heart surgeon who holds my life in her hands. It also doesn’t mean that I am not concerned about their happiness and welfare and whether they are treated fairly by our culture. Unfortunately some misguided feminists have promoted the idea that if men ever refer to women in sexual terms that it “objectifies” them, implying disrespect/sexism/misogyny. While there are certainly misogynistic and sexist men, this isn’t an adequate way to identify them. [/QUOTE] There’s thinking of women in sexual terms (which the majority of women aren’t opposed to) and then there’s what the OP’s doing - seeking advice from an internet message board on how to sucker some chick into letting him do her. The whole tone of his OP (_and_ his subsequent response, I might add) just screams that he’s got no real use for her other than as a notch. Nothing I’ve seen him post makes me think he wants anything out of her other than to hit it and quit it. Frankly, the dude made msmith declare him disgusting (or so I inferred), which is truly and deeply impressive misogny right there. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/133 "2007-04-29T22:34:51Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] Watch out, **Guin** --he’ll want to know the secret into how to enter _your_ meatbox! (and I agree with you re the joking around, but this isn’t joking around). [/QUOTE] _shudder_ And yeah, or even someone is serious-if you’re BOTH upfront about just wanting sex, fine. But don’t try to use a “trick” to get someone, or treat a friend like a piece of meat. Basically, have a little respect. [QUOTE=truthpizza] I agree with this totally. To this point however, while **Grossbottom** has referred to the Persian woman in terms that are sexual and politically incorrect, I have seen no evidence that he has or would treat her with disrespect or that he would do anything that he thought would hurt her. Perhaps he will offer us his thoughts on these questions. [/quote] Uh, I would say that by the very way he talks about her, he’s treating her with disrespect, referring to her only as a “fine piece of ass”, and how he’d like to “tap that”. That’s not how I’d treat someone I consider a friend. That’s not just looking at someone sexually-that’s treating them just as another object to use and discard. [QUOTE=Aangelica] There’s thinking of women in sexual terms (which the majority of women aren’t opposed to) and then there’s what the OP’s doing - seeking advice from an internet message board on how to sucker some chick into letting him do her. [/quote] Thanks-you said it much better than I could. ---
**Author:** ![truthpizza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@truthpizza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthpizza)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/134 "2007-04-29T22:40:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Aangelica** > There’s thinking of women in sexual terms (which the majority of women aren’t opposed to) and then there’s what the OP’s doing - seeking advice from an internet message board on how to sucker some chick into letting him do her. The whole tone of his OP (and his subsequent response, I might add) just screams that he’s got no real use for her other than as a notch. Nothing I’ve seen him post makes me think he wants anything out of her other than to hit it and quit it. I must say I’m not thrilled with his tone either, but I’m willing to wait and see whether he says he actually cares about her feelings. So far I haven’t seen any indication he wants to trick her - only to get around some possibly irrational constraint she may have about dating European type whites. If he is trying to deceive her/take advantage of her, than I share your disapproval. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/135 "2007-04-29T22:44:34Z")
[QUOTE=r4nd0mNumb3rs] Yeah that’s not selfish. And that’s not arrogant. Sure thing. =) [/QUOTE] Feel free to correct me, John Carter From Mars. What I think he’s trying to tell you is that if you see a hot woman checking out books in Borders and you don’t notice a ring and you hit on her and end up having sex with her that night, it’s not your fault if you find out she’s married. That has NOTHING to do with you. She chose to do that. You just happened to be the object of that choice. It takes two to tango. (I hate that saying). You didn’t mess up their relationship, and to be perfectly blunt, why do you care if you do mess up their relationship? You didn’t force her into it. She chose to do it. If someone sees women as objects, then I can certainly see why they’d get upset at you (the proverbial “you” from my example), because you took another guy’s “property”. If anything, he should be talking to her and finding out why she cheated and why the relationship went south. This is where you ride off into the sunset. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/136 "2007-04-30T05:29:08Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] I too am disgusted. [/QUOTE] Fuckin’ A, me too. > [@Least Original User Name Ever](#): > > Feel free to correct me, John Carter From Mars. Nothing to correct, you pretty much nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/137 "2007-04-30T05:53:26Z")
[QUOTE=Sailboat] …but saying Persians aren’t white seems like splitting even more hairs than usual. [/QUOTE] Persians _are_ white, and as for splitting hairs, sheesh - I used to have Persian pussy, and I used to get the hairs all over my bed, so I got rid of her! Oh hang on. Persian _girls_, not Persian cats? Sorry. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Grey\_area](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grey\_area](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey_area)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/138 "2007-04-30T15:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever] Feel free to correct me, John Carter From Mars. What I think he’s trying to tell you is that if you see a hot woman checking out books in Borders and you don’t notice a ring and you hit on her and end up having sex with her that night, it’s not your fault if you find out she’s married. That has NOTHING to do with you. She chose to do that. You just happened to be the object of that choice. [/quote] **Grossbottom** intends to pursue this woman with full knowledge of her engagement. > [@](#): > > It takes two to tango. (I hate that saying). You didn’t mess up their relationship, and to be perfectly blunt, why do you care if you do mess up their relationship? You didn’t force her into it. She chose to do it. If someone sees women as objects, then I can certainly see why they’d get upset at you (the proverbial “you” from my example), because you took another guy’s “property”. If anything, he should be talking to her and finding out why she cheated and why the relationship went south. This is where you ride off into the sunset. You know what? If it’s so friggin hard for you folks to concern yourselves with interests other than your own, then good for you. Refer to post #101 to see how I feel about the matter. I’m done arguing about this and am sorely disappointed that the concepts of self-restraint and general decency is so foreign to many of you. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/139 "2007-04-30T15:36:28Z")
[QUOTE=r4nd0mNumb3rs] **Grossbottom** intends to pursue this woman with full knowledge of her engagement. You know what? If it’s so friggin hard for you folks to concern yourselves with interests other than your own, then good for you. Refer to post #101 to see how I feel about the matter. I’m done arguing about this and am sorely disappointed that the concepts of self-restraint and general decency is so foreign to many of you. [/QUOTE] That’s the thing. You’re NOT screwing up their engagement. She (to keep with the previous scenario) was going to cheat. If she just so happened to cheat with you, it’s not your fault. I certainly do understand some guilt at you being the catalyst for this breakup, but the cause? Nope. \*\* Grossbottom\*\* is seeing signs that tell him that she’s not happy with her arrangement. If she chooses to stop that arrangement with dear **Grossbottom** , then there. Of course, we don’t know the ENTIRE story with Grossbottom and we never will because we don’t see these non-verbal signals. ---
**Author:** ![Lozman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/0ea827/32.png) [@Lozman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lozman)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596/140 "2012-11-25T01:52:32Z")
After 3 years you are firmly in the friend zone and it is unrealistic to expect anything more than flirting and friendship from here to eternity. I base this on many experiences of girls of any culture. I am myself dating a lovely persian lady. At first I was unsure how to proceed with her cos she is of her culture but also very modern and westernised in her style. Luckily for me there was a strong mutual attraction from the start. We kissed on our third date and after about six weeks we had the opportunity to make love and I can vouch for the passion of these lovely ladies! We see each other usually twice a week and despite this, she has not yet introduced me to her family, as she has never dated a western man before, and she is unsure how they will react. I have found that she is not backwards in coming forward, so if your friend was interested in getting physical with you, then you would have known by now for sure. Sorry op, you have missed the boat on this one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-trick-to-persian-girls/401596.md?page=8)