# What's the worst animation you've seen in a toon/anime? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795 "2005-07-23T14:15:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/41 "2005-07-24T23:22:22Z")
> [@Biffy the Elephant Shrew](#): > > Rabbit had one pill to make him larger and one pill to make him small. Interesting—And the pills that Piglet gave him…? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/42 "2005-07-24T23:27:34Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > Interesting—And the pills that Piglet gave him…? Those don’t do anything at all. ---
**Author:** ![auRa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@auRa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auRa)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/43 "2005-07-25T09:44:31Z")
I watched Disney’s _Aladdin_ in the movie theater. Good animation. I then watched _Return of Jafar_ on video. Bad animation. Repeat for all of Disney’s straight-to-video sequels. “Ah well, it’s going straight to video anyway, no reason to make the characters look as good as in the original… Who cares if the animators can’t draw [main character] to even remotely resemble the first movie? It’s close enough.” ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/44 "2005-07-25T10:03:47Z")
> [@Kaspar Hauser](#): > > I think I may be the only person in the world who thinks _Tom Goes to the Mayor_ is hilarious! I love _Tom Goes to the Mayor_… I bought a Pipe Camp shirt, and I’ve started using the phrase “my chippies”. Even made a “crickets!” reference today. The animation style is clearly a deliberate choice - it’s not even animation, it’s a Photoshop effect applied to still photos. They mix in computer animation and live video all the time, and the creators’ prank call clips at [www.timanderic.com](http://www.timanderic.com) have the same look, even though they’re unedited photographs. Un-brrnzing is a one step process. First, the brrnz is removed from the object. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/45 "2005-07-25T11:39:02Z")
I detest “Rugrats” and anything that “looks” like it. Those people can’t draw to save their lives. “Fairly Odd-parents” is a close second. Eccch! ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Side_of_the_Floyd)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/46 "2005-07-25T12:25:13Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > I detest “Rugrats” and anything that “looks” like it. > > Those people can’t draw to save their lives…\ I’m with you there. Weird, lumpy heads. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/47 "2005-07-25T13:52:44Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > For Anime style: Dragonball Z. How this utter piece of crap remains on the air is beyond me. In addition to horrbile animation, even by cheap anime standards, the stories are paper-thin and all identical (big eveil bad guy X comes to town, defeats everyone, one of them discovers a new, special power, and then defeats bad guy.) Dragonball Z must be fabulously cheap to produce. It’s ostensibly a show about combat, but mostly the characters just stand there and vibrate at one another (basically, you make two slightly-different drawings of the character and swap between them at half-second intervals). And the most actual conflict I’ve seen on the show consists of voiceovers. “Next week: Gohan begins to throw a punch! Will he complete it? Tune in and find out!” ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/48 "2005-07-25T14:26:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Disney put out a movie a few years ago that looked like it wasn’t even done yet. I seem to recall still being able to see pencil-markings. It was about John Henry, Johny Appleseed, Paul Bunyon, etc. I think it was called Legends. > > It wasn’t the worst animation I’ve ever seen but definitely the worst modern animation by a company as big as Disney. Is this a serious entry? Most of these were light-years ahead of the others cited in this thread. If it’s for real, you oughta know that the “Legends” tape/DVD is a compilation of pieces that appeared in Disney films and the TV show for years, and date from the late 1940s to the early 1960s. It’s not new stuff. Pencil markings? “modern”? Have another look. Besides **Clutch Cargo** there was also **Space Angel** , which used the same cheapo “animation” technique of putting the actor’s lips into something that looked like a megaphone, shooting it, and imposing it on the drawn background. In fact, sometimes they were too cheap for even that, and hid the mouth behind a face mask or a microphone or something. I gotta go with this as the worst animation, because there’s hardly any actual animation, and the live-action mouth looks seriously creepy. I’m sure Quentin Tarantino used clips of Cluytch Cargo in **Pulp Fiction** for precisely that reason. Next are the early Astro-Booy and Speede Racer cartoons, with their non-animation spliced in amonst the limited animation. Crusader Rabbit did this, too, especially the earliest ones, but I’ll cut them some slack because iof the writing and offbeat humor (even the later ones, that Jay Ward had nothing to do with.) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/49 "2005-07-25T14:55:48Z")
> [@Max Torque](#): > > Dragonball Z must be fabulously cheap to produce. It’s ostensibly a show about combat, but mostly the characters just stand there and vibrate at one another (basically, you make two slightly-different drawings of the character and swap between them at half-second intervals). And the most actual conflict I’ve seen on the show consists of voiceovers. “Next week: Gohan begins to throw a punch! Will he complete it? Tune in and find out!” Good point. As bad as the worst adult anime are, they got nothing on DragonballZ, which I saw far too much of because my kid was hooked on it for awhile. They just float in air and stare at each other for seconds, maybe minutes at a time. What excitement! ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/50 "2005-07-25T15:22:20Z")
The animated version of _Lord of the Rings_ - it starts fairly well, but the animation quality, along with everything else in the movie, spirals rapidly downwards in quality as the movie progresses; they used rotoscoping of live footage, which looks pretty good at the start, but later on, just looks like poorly-developed, poorly-edited, non-rotoscoped live footage. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/51 "2005-07-25T15:55:03Z")
> [@audreyayn](#): > > Weib (Weiss?) Krutz … well, let’s just face that I can’t spell it and say White Cross. It seriously looked like it was put together by some teenagers taking a summer animation program. No wonder the tape I got cost less the snack I had before buying it. > > We had fun chanting “We have no money!” at the screen at the really awful parts, though. Later we got to see the live action concert for it, which somehow managed to be even more awful and MSTable. Ah, Anime Club. I came into this thread to nominate Weiss Kreuz, but you beat me to it. The only reason I watched that awful series was to be justified in saying it, rather than bashing it with never seeing it. My sole joy out of that series was Farfarello’s episode. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/52 "2005-07-25T16:51:19Z")
> [@Miss Mapp](#): > > The Helm’s Deep battle and some of the other sequences in the Ralph Bashki version of _Lord of the Rings_, where live action is obviously and very badly traced over. This kind of rotoscoping technique can work in some animation, but it’s really awful here. I’ve been told that the whole battle sequence is from another movie, something like _Zulu Dawn_. I bought the DVD for Wizards for 10 bucks, and it’s worth it just for the commentary by Bakshi. He is definitely off his rocker. He said when he was making Wizards, he nearly ran out of budget when he got to the battle scenes, and the producers wouldn’t give him any more money. So he recycled old war footage and took it to IBM who then did the retroscoping effect for cheap. I guess he impressed himself enough to do the same thing with LotR. In the commentary, he also said the movie was originally going to be called War Wizards. But, he shortened it to Wizards as a favor to George Lucas, so that people wouldn’t get the two movies confused. When I heard him say this, I yelled out “Otherwise his movie would have just been called ‘Star.’” Of course, Wizards would have done a lot better at the box office if they hadn’t jerked it out early to show Star Wars. Bakshi is so full of BS but he’s fun to listen to. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795/53 "2005-07-25T17:24:52Z")
**Wizards** is a truly bizarre film. At times the animation and story is excellent, but it frequently drifts and goes all over the place. Bakshi seems to lose focus on what his story is and who his audience is. At times it seems like it’s supposed to be for everyone, but the sexy elf and the satire on religion kill that. Sometimes the peter Falf Wizard is supposed to be the Good Guy, but his actions at the end are off the edge. They initially marketed this as a War stiory, but shortly after it was released they changed to it “A Story of Peace and Fantasy”, putting a “Peace” label on the back of the converted soldier’s saddle, as if that changed anything. Like most of Bakshi’s stuff, it didn’t seem to know where it was going. when it wasn’t rotoscoping, the animation is actually quite good. The same for Bakshi’s awful Lord of the Rings. The problem is, too much of that movie _is_ rotoscoping. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-animation-youve-seen-in-a-toon-anime/313795.md?page=2)