# What's the worst thing Antifa has ever done? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 5, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339 "2020-08-05T15:26:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/61 "2020-08-10T13:50:20Z")
No argument from me about the criteria; just pointing it out because everything listed so far doesn’t seem to meet it. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/62 "2020-08-10T17:09:31Z")
He was recording the whole protest. He was also “on their side”. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/63 "2020-08-11T19:10:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It doesnt matter if you dont like their politics, journalists should be off limits. Journalists SHOULD be off limits, and to non-fascists they generally are. Propagandists who publish objectively false information while holding it out as true, however, should be … um … _on_ limits. Calling a liar a journalist does not make the liar a journalist, it makes you complicit in the spreading of their propaganda and so every bit as sleazy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/64 "2020-08-13T10:21:58Z")
I’m not sure that the metric for whether a person in the proximity of a protest should be assaulted by law enforcement (or others in self-defense) should be the veracity of their incident reporting. Rather, it should be the level of actual current physical threat they pose to others. Proper journalists generally act as neutral parties in such events. If a journalist - or someone claiming to be one - is actively engaged in violent behavior, then they become “fair game” (or as “fair” as anyone is in these instances). I have minimal information on what Andy Ngo was doing at the time he was assaulted or whether he in any way provoked or justified the assault. It is certainly entirely reasonable to assume, absent further evidence, that he was either beaten up by people he angered through his [deliberately provocative reporting style](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/andy-ngo-right-wing-antifa-protest-portland-bigotry) (which, while understandable, is not justified) or by bad people for no good reason. However, in these particular protests there are examples of LEOs actively targeting members of the press who weren’t doing anything other than recording the events, which is even less excusable. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/65 "2020-08-16T02:08:25Z")
Whether or not Ngo is a “journalist” no longer matters for the purpose of the OP. Altho he was attacked, no one was even arrested and no one claims they did it. Sure, antifa had reason to, but then a right wing agitator or anarchist could have done it to stir shit up. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/66 "2020-08-17T21:01:41Z")
Portland “peaceful protesters” pulled a white guy From his pick up after they swarmed it, and beat him unconscious. Then robbed his truck. Parents should be so proud. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/67 "2020-08-17T21:14:32Z")
Here is the link: > **[BLM mob beats white man unconscious after making him crash truck: video](https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconscious-after-making-him-crash-truck/)** > > A mob of Portland Black Lives Matter protesters forced a white man to crash his truck, then punched and kicked him unconscious, disturbing footage shows. A series of clips on social media shows the… > **[Night 80: Driver attacked after crashing truck downtown](https://www.wspa.com/news/portland-protesters-beat-driver-unconscious-after-pulling-him-from-his-truck/)** > > The mother of Patrick Kimmons, a Black man shot and killed by Portland police in 2018 is expected to speak to protesters Sunday evening outside the Justice Center in downtown Portland. Note that ‘antifa’ isnt mentioned at all. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/68 "2020-08-17T22:55:47Z")
Oh ok… ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/69 "2020-08-17T23:21:49Z")
That’s ok then… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/70 "2020-08-19T16:32:45Z")
It is not in any way “ok”. But neither is it “Antifa”, as far as the evidence presented thus far shows. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/71 "2020-08-19T17:01:35Z")
No it was BLM all reports say. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/72 "2020-08-19T17:02:23Z")
So you agree that 1) no one (other than you) said it was “ok” and 2) it wasn’t Antifa. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/73 "2020-08-19T17:07:39Z")
No it was said because it wasn’t antifa that the behavior wasn’t the worst thing .If you want to defend these thugs thats on you. Antifa and the Co opted BLM have cause at lease a Billion dollars Worth of damage. As well as deaths and injuries. None of it is ok…I was being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/74 "2020-08-19T17:23:58Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > No it was said because it wasn’t antifa that the behavior wasn’t the worst thing Who said that? > [@eenerms](#): > > If you want to defend these thugs thats on you. No one is defending anyone, but I would suggest watching it with the “thug” word, that’s a favorite of racists. > [@eenerms](#): > > Antifa and the Co opted BLM have cause at lease a Billion dollars Worth of damage. As well as deaths and injuries. This is nearly impossible to parse, but if I am getting the gist of it right, it is also unsubstantiated. > [@eenerms](#): > > None of it is ok…I was being sarcastic. The sarcasm took on a mocking tone, as though you were sarcastically agreeing with someone else that was saying that it was okay. If not, then you were just mocking yourself. If so, could you say who it was that you were mocking? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/75 "2020-08-19T18:53:55Z")
What are you babbling about? That paragraph makes no sense at all. Look, antifa is not into violence (except perhaps vs Nazis and their ilk) or property damage. Organized property damage is done mostly by Black Bloc Anarchists who have stated that is their goal, along with various right wing instigators . I am not counting graffiti here, that is done by many leftist orgs. Antifa is not organized and anyone can claim to be “antifa”. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/76 "2020-08-19T22:46:59Z")
[eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)[Charter Member](https://boards.straightdope.com/g/Charter_Member) wrote: [6h](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/73) > Antifa and the Co opted BLM have cause at lease a Billion dollars Worth of damage. As well as deaths and injuries. None of it is ok…I was being sarcastic. Was this sarcasm too? “A billion dollars worth of damage. As well as deaths and injuries” is a factual claim, and I’d like to know your source for it. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/77 "2020-08-19T23:12:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Organized property damage is done mostly by Black Bloc Anarchists who have stated that is their goal, You keep saying this and it’s wrong every time. Property damage is not their goal. It is a tactic. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/78 "2020-08-19T23:57:38Z")
Sure, not a “goal” a “tactic”. Same thing in the end- broken windows, flaming cop cars, etc. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/79 "2020-08-20T01:38:55Z")
Do you even know what anarchists want? Why some are willing to break things to achieve it? Or are you one of the people who conflate anarchy with chaos? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/80 "2020-08-20T05:01:00Z")
I read what they are quoted as saying. wiki: _When we smash a window, we aim to destroy the thin veneer of legitimacy that surrounds private property rights … After N30 [30 November], many people will never see a shop window or a hammer the same way again. The potential uses of an entire cityscape have increased a thousand-fold. The number of broken windows pales in comparison to the number of spells—spells cast by a corporate hegemony to lull us into forgetfulness of all the violence committed in the name of private property rights and of all the potential of a society without them. Broken windows can be boarded and eventually replaced, but the shattering of assumptions will hopefully persist for some time to come._ — ACME Collective, quoted in Paris (2003)[[80]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc#cite_note-80) > **[Black Bloc Tactics Communiqué](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anti-racist-action-the-green-mountain-anarchist-collective-black-bloc-tactics-communique)** > > Anti-Racist Action, The Green Mountain Anarchist Collective Black Bloc Tactics Communiqué A Communiqué on Tactics and Organization to the Black Bloc, from... _By attacking and destroying Capitalist private property (such as in the Battle of Seattle) we go beyond rhetoric and actually inflict real material damage upon the urban out-posts of the oppressive and totally uninteresting commodified empire of the new Capitalists. By our method we transform indecisiveness and restraint into REAL action._ _Tactics of a black bloc primarily include vandalism of private property, … Property destruction carried out by black blocs tends to have symbolic significance: common targets include banks, institutional buildings, outlets for multinational corporations, gasoline stations, and video-surveillance cameras.[[84]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc#cite_note-pressaction.com-84)_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339.md?page=5)