# What's the worst thing Antifa has ever done? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 5, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339 "2020-08-05T15:26:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/121 "2020-09-05T20:41:25Z")
So, what you’re saying is, anyone who claims to be Antifa is incapable of anything but murder? Even whey they say they were “totally justified [that] had I not acted I am confident that my friend, and I’m sure I, would have been killed”? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/122 "2020-09-05T23:01:43Z")
He admitted that he shot the guy on VICE. The unsealed Warrant has timed stamped videos that he STALKED the guy and shot him. That’s why the US Marshals were going to arrest him. There was no self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/123 "2020-09-12T00:15:42Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > he STALKED the guy and shot him. Before or after getting maced? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/124 "2020-09-12T00:17:22Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The worst thing Antifa has ever done is make people believe they exist. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > …as an organized entity. And making Trumpeteers believe they have been setting fires in the Pacific Northwest. > **[Oregon Police Beg Public to Stop Calling In False Reports Blaming Antifa for...](https://theintercept.com/2020/09/10/oregon-police-beg-public-stop-calling-false-reports-blaming-antifa-wildfires/)** > > False claims that antifascists are starting forest fires have been spread by supporters of President Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/125 "2020-09-12T07:44:19Z")
The worst thing Antifa has done is to deliberately accuse people of being Nazis or fascists when they are neither by any halfway reasonable definition (and in any case, Antifa provides _no_ definition). Then they use violence on those people. And from the beginning, Portland police would see these attacks and not lift a finger. ---
**Author:** ![PoppaSan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poppasan/32/189_2.png) [@PoppaSan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoppaSan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/126 "2020-09-12T16:40:47Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > [@eenerms](#): > > > > he STALKED the guy and shot him. > > Before or after getting maced? Doesn’t matter. You can’t claim self defense once the person has disengaged and walked away. Especially if you have to track the person down for your revenge shot. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/127 "2020-09-12T16:50:02Z")
> [@PoppaSan](#): > > Doesn’t matter. You can’t claim self defense once the person has disengaged and walked away. Especially if you have to track the person down for your revenge shot. Not necessarily. > **[ORS 161.209 – Use of physical force in defense of a person](https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.209)** > > Except as provided in ORS 161.215 (Limitations on use of physical force in defense of a person) and 161.219 (Limitations on use… > **[ORS 161.215 – Limitations on use of physical force in defense of a person](https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.215)** > > Notwithstanding ORS 161.209 (Use of physical force in defense of a person), a person is not justified in using physical force upon… > **[ORS 161.219 – Limitations on use of deadly physical force in defense of a person](https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219)** > > Notwithstanding the provisions of ORS 161.209 (Use of physical force in defense of a person), a person is not justified in using… > "had I not acted I am confident that my friend, and I’m sure I, would have been killed.” Whether it murder or self defense should have been up to a jury rather than some random mooks on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/128 "2020-09-12T17:07:26Z")
Cite? Has any “antifa” been convicted or even arrested for doing so? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/129 "2020-09-12T20:05:48Z")
Obviously not. “Antifa” are “terrorists”, so one does not arrest them, one kills them. Trials are much too risky. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/130 "2020-09-13T00:28:58Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Obviously not. “Antifa” are “terrorists”, so one does not arrest them, one kills them. You jest but I’m concerned that one of these idiots, assuming they _have_ set up their own checkpoints, will decide someone “looks Antifa” and send them to a hospital, if not a morgue. My niece and her small family are in Eugene. > **[Half a million people evacuated in Oregon as 'Militia Checkpoints' Patrol](https://www.newsweek.com/half-million-people-evacuated-oregon-militia-checkpoints-patrol-1531267)** > > People on Twitter are reporting being stopped on the roads by men with guns. ---
**Author:** ![WitnessMe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/witnessme/32/4597_2.png) [@WitnessMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WitnessMe)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/131 "2020-09-14T01:36:23Z")
That’s all well and good had he surrendered to the police but he didn’t that’s why they opened fire and killed his bitch ass after he fired first. Good riddance to human garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/132 "2020-09-14T01:46:52Z")
Witness says Reinohel never held a gun, much less shot at the officers. > **[Witness says officers never gave commands before firing at Michael Reinoehl...](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/witness-says-officers-never-gave-commands-before-firing-at-michael-reinoehl-outside-wa-apartment.html)** > > Lawyers for the witness also are calling on the shooting to be conducted by an independent body that doesn't include law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/133 "2020-09-14T01:54:41Z")
> [@WitnessMe](#): > > Good riddance to human garbage. Aren’t you a sweetheart ---
**Author:** ![WitnessMe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/witnessme/32/4597_2.png) [@WitnessMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WitnessMe)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/134 "2020-09-14T02:07:54Z")
What’s the name of this singular witness? > **[Antifa-supporting Portland protest shooter armed with assault rifle when...](https://nypost.com/2020/09/04/suspected-protest-shooter-michael-reinoehl-had-gun-when-killed-by-police/)** > > The Antifa-supporting security guard wanted in the killing of a right-wing protester in Portland fired “40 or 50” rounds from an assault rifle at a US Marshals task force before he was shot to deat… Here are witnesses, plural with their names that claimed he fired his assault weapon. But witnesses Chad Smith and Chase Cutler, who were about 50 feet away from the melee, said they saw the suspect get out of his car and fire what they believed was an assault rifle at the officers. They heard 40 or 50 shots, with officers returning fire, striking the man. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/135 "2020-09-14T02:25:05Z")
From the link in post #113 above > [@](#): > > “We can confirm at this time that the suspect was armed with a handgun,” the (task force) statement said. So somehow he shot at police with an “assault rifle” that transformed itself into a pistol. And hit none of the officers. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/136 "2020-10-08T21:08:48Z")
“Antifa” ain’t got nothin’ on this group. > **[Militia group plotted to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, feds say](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/governor-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-plot-militia/5921409002/)** > > Charges have been filed in the U.S. District Court in the western district of Michigan. > Discussions included using 200 men to “storm” the Capitol Building in Lansing, kidnap hostages, including, Whitmer and try the governor for treason, according to the affidavit. > [P]articipants discussed plans to attack the Capitol and use “Molotov cocktails” to attack police, according to the affidavit. > Plans included planting a bomb under a nearby bridge to divert law enforcement, according to the affidavit. ---
**Author:** ![pirviii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pirviii/32/3233_2.png) [@pirviii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pirviii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/137 "2020-10-09T02:56:32Z")
Remind me, which is the terrorist group trying to overthrow the government? Oh right, the white nationalist fascists, NOT the anti-fascists. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/138 "2020-10-09T03:18:49Z")
> [@pirviii](#): > > Remind me, which is the terrorist group trying to overthrow the government? > > Oh right, the white nationalist fascists, NOT the anti-fascists You have that backwards. The fascists have infiltrated the government and are mostly in control of it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/139 "2020-10-09T13:48:03Z")
And they are trying to overthrow the state governments that they are not in control of. ---
**Author:** ![anmouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@anmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anmouse)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339/140 "2020-10-14T09:20:36Z")
The answer to your question: failed to convey the dangers of fascism and why it’s good to be against fascism. It was a wasteful, vainglory mission that demonstrated degeneracy, idiocy and pathology. Pure tragic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-worst-thing-antifa-has-ever-done/917339.md?page=8)