# What's Trump's end game for the last 14 days of his presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 3, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599 "2021-01-03T22:58:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/101 "2021-01-05T16:11:54Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > He could, of course, fly on elsewhere within the ten days, if they’ll have him and if whoever is willing to fly him. My thought would be possibly Northern Cyprus. Nicer climate, no extradition, sympathetic to “controversial” people if they have money. “…if they have money.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/102 "2021-01-05T17:10:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No, I mean “bad”. The last thing I want is another corrupt administration. Now if he’d drawn up the papers and forgotten to sign them (as he’s been known to do), well…them’s the breaks. But destroying signed papers would be illegal. No, it is not. It is exactly what Madison did to Marbury and SCOTUS agreed. More precisely, they said it was wrong but there was no remedy for it. The court could not order the document (a court appointment) to be delivered. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/103 "2021-01-05T17:56:21Z")
But that was because the Supreme Court could not be given mandamus jurisdiction. The Court held that the mandamus clause in the Judiciary Act was unconstitutional and it had no power to direct the commission be given to Marbury. It did say, in obiter, that the refusal to deliver the commission was likely illegal. That seems to me to leave open the possibility that if the District Court has mandamus now, that an order to deliver a commission may be available. I don’t know if that issue has come up since _Marbury_ as a matter of district court jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/104 "2021-01-05T21:39:33Z")
Yes, the way I heard it a well and true Scotsman came up with that. So I guess they have cheetos in Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/105 "2021-01-05T21:45:03Z")
“Cheeto-faced” is the Americanized version; the original is “loofa-faced shit-gibbon.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/106 "2021-01-05T21:47:22Z")
What’s a loofa? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/107 "2021-01-05T21:56:58Z")
Never mind; I had forgotten that [D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/8173) [got corrected.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/777640/8179) [“Loofa(h)” got in there via PA politician.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pennsylvania-senator-calls-trump-a-facist-loofa-faced-st-gibbon_n_589b6cd2e4b0c1284f2a1456) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/108 "2021-01-05T21:59:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > What’s a loofa? A kind of [vegetable sponge](https://www.amazon.com/Exfoliating-Spa-Destinations-Renewable-Resource/dp/B004R5ZJXW). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/109 "2021-01-05T22:06:33Z")
Well I’m glad there was a mixup, because that vegetable sponge, I’m just not seeing a Trump connection. Cheetos, on the other hand… I guess they have them in Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/110 "2021-01-05T22:17:16Z")
> **[No, Trump won’t be golfing in Scotland on Inauguration Day, First Minister...](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/no-trump-cant-play-golf-in-scotland-on-inauguration-day-nicola-sturgeon-says-2021-01-05)** > > Pandemic travel ban applies to President Trump as much as anybody else, Scotland’s head of government says ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/111 "2021-01-06T00:24:58Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Pardon me if I’m not understanding what you mean here _ **but** _ even if Trump decides to start a war with Iran and/or bomb them back to the Stone Age, his term in office will end at noon on 01/20/21. There is no other option unless the military agrees to help him overthrow the Constitution. And military leaders have been quite clear they have no intention of doing any such thing. Trump can order military action any time between now and when his term expires. Whether the military deems such orders to be illegal and unlawful remains to be seen. I don’t see military action against Iran as overthrowing the Constitution. I see it as Trump fulfilling a goal to prevent Iran from attaining nuclear weapons capability. That he would do this at the end of his term and create fucking chaos for the Biden administration is merely coincidence. I also don’t believe in coincidences. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/112 "2021-01-06T00:30:38Z")
Agree with this. And in Loser Donald’s delusions he may _ **think** _ he can remain President if the nation is facing a crisis like an armed conflict with another country. Never mind the whole pandemic crisis. “For the good of the country, in this time of crisis, I will remain your President until the crisis is over!” Again - delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/113 "2021-01-06T00:45:52Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > > > Pardon me if I’m not understanding what you mean here _ **but** _ even if Trump decides to start a war with Iran and/or bomb them back to the Stone Age, his term in office will end at noon on 01/20/21. There is no other option unless the military agrees to help him overthrow the Constitution. And military leaders have been quite clear they have no intention of doing any such thing. > > Trump can order military action any time between now and when his term expires. Whether the military deems such orders to be illegal and unlawful remains to be seen. I don’t see military action against Iran as overthrowing the Constitution. I see it as Trump fulfilling a goal to prevent Iran from attaining nuclear weapons capability. That he would do this at the end of his term and create fucking chaos for the Biden administration is merely coincidence. > > I also don’t believe in coincidences. In the post I was replying to you said > Trump will not relinquish his job which ends on January 20, 2021. Again, Trump has no choice in the matter. At noon on 01/20/21 he ceases to be President. Period, war or no war. Your reply to me in post #111 above is correct and I agree. But note, it isn’t what you said in post #82. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/114 "2021-01-06T00:51:04Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > Trump can order military action any time between now and when his term expires. Whether the military deems such orders to be illegal and unlawful remains to be seen. At this point in time, with two weeks left before the new C in C takes over, if the donald ordered an attack on Iran with no intelligence to back it up (pun intended!), I would expect to see the slowest military response in history (“We’ve lost the keys to the Pentagon. We’ve go a locksmith on the way!”, “All the bombers are in the shop! We only have loaners.”, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/115 "2021-01-06T04:09:19Z")
It’s been noted in two other threads already that Iran has issued an international arrest warrant for Trump. Interpol will not honor such a warrant against a head of state (or certain other high officials), which is why they ignored the earlier warrant for Trump. And the United States would not render Trump up to Iran even after he leaves office. But Scotland might, if the former president just happens to be there at 12:01 p.m. on 20 January. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/116 "2021-01-06T04:11:39Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Scotland might, if the former president just happens to be there at 12:01 p.m. on 20 January. Scotland could not. The United Kingdom could. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/117 "2021-01-06T04:13:02Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Scotland could not. The United Kingdom could. Good enough. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/118 "2021-01-06T05:10:22Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > But Scotland might, if the former president just happens to be there at 12:01 p.m. on 20 January. Moot point. Scotland (or the UK if you prefer), in the person of Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland has emphatically said that Trump will not be allowed in. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/119 "2021-01-06T05:59:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Moot point. Scotland (or the UK if you prefer), in the person of Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland has emphatically said that Trump will not be allowed in. Period. So Scotland has effectively kilt that thought. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599/120 "2021-01-06T14:40:51Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > So Scotland has effectively kilt that thought. 👏🏼🤣👏🏼🤣👏🏼🤣 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-trumps-end-game-for-the-last-14-days-of-his-presidency/929599.md?page=7)