# What's up with Job's Daughters? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 17, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718 "2005-06-17T16:20:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2014, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/61 "2014-01-26T05:49:15Z")
At the risk of giving this thread brains, I will say that my 11 year old belongs to Job’s daughters. Both my wife and I are atheists and we have shared our beliefs with her honestly and sincerely. We have explained that their are many religions in the world and we have told her what people believe and why we think they believe. We have honestly told her what we believe are the pros and cons of being in religious organizations or members of a church and we have left it to her to decide what she wants to do. We have even offered to take her church on Sunday if that is what she wishes. Some of her friends, who are in her girl scout troop and on her soccer team are members of Job’s and invited her to participate. She says she believe is a deity and I see no reason to doubt her sincerity. Whatever, though I do think the organisation is weird and it makes both my wife and I uncomfortable. The Mason hall is like a haunted house. Built for hundreds of people, but obviously empty for years and years. All the furniture, carpet, etc… is in really good shape but is from the 70s. You can just tell that very few people go there. Her bethel has about 8 girls, 4 of which are members of my daughter’s friend’s family and I get the feeling that this family is single handedly saving the masonic temple (it is a very big, and very nice family). Whatever, creepy but I doubt it will have more effect on my daughter than our influence as parents. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/62 "2014-01-26T23:30:55Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Her bethel has about 8 girls, Boy, did I read THAT word wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/63 "2014-01-26T23:42:31Z")
> [@bobkitty](#): > > Boy, did I read THAT word wrong. Ya know, a ‘murder’ of crows, a ‘brothel’ of Job’s daughters. ---
**Author:** ![Jobiegirlforlife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b38774/32.png) [@Jobiegirlforlife](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jobiegirlforlife)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/64 "2014-07-11T17:36:07Z")
Okay so again I’m way to late to this party considering this was in 2005… let me give you a little background on where I was in 2005. I was Honored Queen of Bethel #19 of West Allis WI and I was PROUDLY leading my bethel of 35 members for 6 months of my junior year of High school. I mainly want to correct you on your HORRIBLY WRONG errors. Let me tell you about the charity we did: H.I.K.E. Hearing Impaired Kids Endowment fund aka we raised a crap ton of money for hearing impaired children’s families to purchase hearing aids because insurance refuses to cover ANY part of the hearing aid for the family. Wanna know how many checks we gave out in the state of Wisconsin that year? Six… all for roughly 3,000 (the approximate cost of a set of hearing aids) So how’s that for charity? Oh but wait we’re not done yet. We also had bake sales to send our girls (all 35 of them COST FREE) to our two annual events, Grand Session and Jamboree. It’s a lot of money but if you fund raise like crazy like I did the girls can just go to have fun. Still not done… we also had silent auctions for the women’s shelter in Waukesha. We also spent time playing BINGO with several senior citizens; which you probably know they love their bingo 🙂 Wanna know what else we did? We served weddings, about 4 weddings a month at a local banquet hall. Here’s another thing I have a problem with “They’re an exclusionary group” WRONG AGAIN! I personally have Jobie (short for Job’s Daughters) friends that are black, white, christian, jewish, muslim and agnostic. So what may go for your step daughter’s bethel is not the greater whole. That’s something you should have brought up to the Grand Guardian Council because the International Order of Job’s Daughters… sorry now it’s Job’s Daughters International is ALL INCLUSIVE! All girls are welcome, yes we have parts of the meeting that you do have to either be a member of JD or another Masonic organization to attend but that is no different than any Sorority or Fraternity. yes we do have prayers… however not all bethels use the cross; we also have the triangle or square and compass symbols. It is up to the Bethel Guardian to determine which should be used, as I said before we have jewish and muslim members as well so some bethels choose the more appropriate closing formations. As far as dress… the white robes are to EQUALIZE everyone! And we’re required to wear hosiery… sounds like your bethel broke a lot of the bylaws of the organization (which as Honored Queen I was REQUIRED to read and follow to the letter) Yes we have to wear skirts to the meeting because we’re all supposed to be proper ladies and that means skirts and nice shoes, AKA church clothes. We do the no jewelry thing for two reasons, equalization in the bethel room (hence the white robes) and showing we value other things than material goods. I also have a HUGE problem with your wife saying we’re connected to the KKK… this couldn’t be more further from the truth. We do NOT promote hate, exclusion or racism. We promote inclusion, doing good deeds, upholding the higher ideals of womanhood like respect of elders (who aren’t ignorant jerks), kindness to others, including strangers, and understanding of people from all walks of life. I have tried really hard to not let my profanity that I am thinking lace this post but you sir, are incredibly, horribly wrong about this wonderful organization. These issues that you were having seem to be the product of a bethel that is not following the rules. Also we do NOT require you to be of any certain religion, and if your stepdaughter really felt strongly about staying in the organization then shame on you for not talking to other adults in the organization to help you feel more comfortable. That’s what they are there for! It’s a community, a family and if someone is uncomfortable with something the adults are supposed to help the adults and the girls are supposed to help the girls. I’ve seen this situation many times and it doesn’t anger me any less each time I see it. I’ve seen girls who are extremely happy in the organization be ripped away from her friends and second family because her parents (or in this case step parent) are not open enough to ask questions, be involved and actually try to understand. If you ended up taking her out of this organization that teaches leadership, organization, public speaking, taking pride in yourself, charity and all these wonderful values, then sir you made a horrible parenting decision. This organization brought me from being a disrespectful little shit to a beautiful and respectful young woman. I owe this organization a lot because it made me who I am today. I have successfully run a bethel, ran for Miss Wisconsin twice, overcome my stage fright, and became very involved in my community all because of this organization. So sir… if you have a problem with anything I said or would like to hear more positive stories, or if your wife has any problems with anything I said to her Please feel free to email me your comments and I’ll try to respond eloquently. Danielle M Johnson PHQ and MM of Bethel #19 West Allis WI > [@madcossack](#): > > Great responses so far. I appreciate them, even when they disagree with me! > > I’m not trying to be reactionary here. In fact, by writing this, I imagine many people will say I am making some huge leaps, unfounded in reality or logic. Maybe. But that is why I am asking these questions. I want all the facts in front of me. > > Let me try and capsulize some of the salient points as to why I am concerned about this organization: > > As several have stated above, many believe it is a good thing to be involved in charitable and/or good deeds through an organization. Sadly, as far as I can tell, this group does not do ANY charitable work, other than serving food at the the local lodge once a month to the senior members, keeping the teenage girls their until midnight or later on a school night. > > I am concerned about the Masonic undercurrent (for lack of a better term), which I don’t really understand fully, to be honest. As well as the Christian underpinnings of this group. > > I may well be far off track, but I am not comfortable with any group that would not allow certain members, whatever the criteria. I have found this group exclusionary and divisive. They have no members of color, nor any other minority. And we live in a pretty diverse neighborhood. They exclude based on religion, because they are a religious group. Fine. I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with a religious group that, if she were my biological daughter, and was rasied Jewish, would not admit her. Even though they would supposedly be gathering for social reasons and to perform charitable acts, which, as stated above, I have never seen them do. > > Now, this may boggle some people’s minds, but as Jew, I am not thrilled with my stepdaughter hanging out with a bunch of people who won’t let me in to their group because of my religion or cultural background. > > As tomndebb mentioned, this may very well be a “Christianized” local chapter. They seem pretty heavy into the ceremony of Christian religion, including prayer. I’m not into that, but if she is, fine. But by her own admission, that’s not why she goes. > > But an event I went to about a year ago disturbed me. I’m not sure of the name of the ceremony they gave it, but it was sort of like a confirmation, or “now you are grown up” ceremony. Heavily religious, girls dressed in white robes, many prayers to Jesus, interminable boredom on my part. (I didn’t let her know that). But what really blew me away was the overt symbolism involving the cross, submission and how these were girls were told what to do, dress, behave. > > At one point in the ceremony, the girls were kneeling in their virginal white robes, clearly in a cross like pattern on the floor. I turned to my wife with an odd look on my face. Now, my wife did quite a bit of study on the subject of racist groups throughout American history in college, and she is of the belief that much of the symbolism that Job’s Daughters employs is directly descendant from KKK meetings. I don’t necessarily agree with her, and I wish I could remember more specifics about the event we went to, but the overall impression I came away with was that the ceremony was either very heavily Catholic, or leaning towards what my wife ws thinking. > > Another thing: they require the girls to wear certain styles of dress, mandating that they wear skirts, of a certain length, to all meetings. Certain types of shoes are not allowed (can’t remember which). No hosiery of any kind. No jewelry. > > My wife and I HAVE talked to my stepdaughter about this organization. We tried to remain cool, and have a rational discussion with her about why we do not think this is the best way to spend her time. I explained my feelings about the exclusion of Jews, or any other religion. She told me that it was not a religious group, which she claimed she had asked about when she started going. When I asked her if they prayed, she said yes. I tried to explain that that made it a religious group, whoever or whatever they prayed to. She didn’t agree, and told me that “that’s what they said you would say”. That’s when I started to get even more uncomfortable with her involvement. > > Anyway, enough of my ramblings. More discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/65 "2014-07-11T17:53:45Z")
Not only are you a little late to the party, but the person you are upset at hasn’t been here for over seven years, so I doubt _very_ much that **madcossack** has read your angry missive and/or will respond to it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/66 "2014-07-11T17:57:44Z")
You might want to ask one of the mods to edit your post and delete your contact information - it is probably not a good idea to put it out there. And paragraphs are your friend, if you don’t mind my saying so. Welcome to the SDMB. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/67 "2014-07-11T18:16:22Z")
The problem is, Danielle, if you were part of a cult that brainwashed you, would your post be any different? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/68 "2014-07-11T19:07:44Z")
> [@Jobiegirlforlife](#): > > Okay so again I’m way to late to this party considering this was in 2005… let me give you a little background on where I was in 2005. Are atheists allowed? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/69 "2014-07-11T19:57:01Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > The problem is, Danielle, if you were part of a cult that brainwashed you, would your post be any different? Probably not but that’s no indication that Jobies are a cult. In most cults the members all contain about the same amount of unbridled enthusiasm for their group and try to socialize exclusively within that group. Most of the Jobies I’ve ever met had many other social and religious connections. Some were pretty much along for the ride while others participated as much as they could. Just about like any other club. If it’s a cult, it’s a very poor example of one. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/70 "2014-07-11T22:08:06Z")
My sister was a Job’s Daughter, because my dad was a Freemason. Basically, that’s all it is, just a “secret society” for teen-age girls. Sons of Freemasons are recruited into Demolay. Most just grow out of it. Girls take it about as seriously as being in a Girl Scout troop, and of course, there is the usual smattering of zealots as there is in every structured organization. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/71 "2014-07-12T14:27:16Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I’ve never heard of them but here is a [link to them.](http://www.iojd.org/) That’s one shitty-looking website. It would have even been shit in 2005. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/72 "2014-07-12T16:09:47Z")
> [@madcossack](#): > > OK, let me ask a basic question for all of you to ponder. Job’s Daughters, as a subset of the Masons, has some “secret” rituals or some such. By their own admission. My stepdaughter has even said this. I imagine they are innoccuous enough. But I can’t find out what they are. They won’t tell me, their websites don’t say what they are, my stepdaughter won’t say. > > Would you let your child be part of an organization that keeps secrets about what the kids do, even to their own parents (because we are not involved in the Masons)? > > I’m not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand. Yes, at her age she is entitled to a private life including the right to keep secrets (especially of the innocuous kind such as secret handshakes and harmless rituals). I don’t know anything about Christianity being a requirement for Job’s Daughters; however, my fortune-telling, Roma spiritual believing self was allowed into Rainbow Girls decades ago and had a lot of fun. I have also known Jews that were Rainbow Girls. I think there was some sort of requirement to believe in a supreme being, but no description of what that supreme being is. ---
**Author:** ![BreMue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@BreMue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BreMue)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/73 "2014-07-16T22:39:13Z")
As a Job’s Daughter with skeptical parents myself, I understand how you would feel this way. However, I don’t think it is anything you should ban from her. As a Job’s daughter it is true you do have prayer, sing songs and do “Ritual work” which dooooeess sound a little hokey being an outsider, however it is little more than a script for members to memorize stating their duties and lessons they should learn from each position, or our rendition of the Story of Job (so nothing actually sketchy, I promise). ALSO, I noticed a lot of people say that we claim to do community service and in reality all we do is serve masons dinner every few months. While even my own parents tend to view that as the case, and that might be the only “physical community service” some bethels do, that is not all we do for the community. Every 6 month term, the presiding officer, the Honored Queen, is required by bylaws (however maybe this is only in Arizona) in order for her to fulfill her term, to plan and execute 3 fundraisers: one for [H.I.K.E.](http://www.thehikefund.org/AboutHIKE/A_brief_History_of_HIKE.htm), the Job’s daughters International Charity , one for the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 project (going towards the Educational Fund, Promotional Fund, and the Bethel), and a fundraiser for the current Honored Queen’s Chosen Charity. As a Past Honored Queen myself, and having been in this organization for over 5 years, let me tell you that it is really a great organization to have your kid in. While, granted, there is no such thing as perfection when it comes to organizations, and there are some frustrating things about it, it is 100% worth what you get out of it. The friendships you make in this organization are really great, and while I have yet to experience this for myself (as I am only 17), there are accounts after accounts of women who were in Job’s Daughters and are still best friends, or at least still really close to their friends they met through Jobs Daughters after even over 50 years. That in itself is a huge deal, I think, but there’s more. As a daughter goes up the “line”, she is generally responsible for planning and executing her own events. Doing this gives so much experience to girls who, in other organizations, just wouldn’t get. If they sign up to help plan state events, they can get even MORE of this experience, and it is really great. While most other kids have not had to coordinate much more than a group project in school, we are experienced (and comfortable) with coordinating much bigger things, which will help us long-term in almost any career path we choose to pursue. I hope that you will change your mind about your decision, or at the very least, continue to let her see her Job’s Daughters friends, who typically are good people/influences and make amazing friends. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BreMue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@BreMue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BreMue)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/74 "2014-07-16T22:48:42Z")
> [@Jobiegirlforlife](#): > > Okay so again I’m way to late to this party considering this was in 2005… let me give you a little background on where I was in 2005. I was Honored Queen of Bethel #19 of West Allis WI and I was PROUDLY leading my bethel of 35 members for 6 months of my junior year of High school. I mainly want to correct you on your HORRIBLY WRONG errors. Let me tell you about the charity we did: H.I.K.E. Hearing Impaired Kids Endowment fund aka we raised a crap ton of money for hearing impaired children’s families to purchase hearing aids because insurance refuses to cover ANY part of the hearing aid for the family. Wanna know how many checks we gave out in the state of Wisconsin that year? Six… all for roughly 3,000 (the approximate cost of a set of hearing aids) So how’s that for charity? Oh but wait we’re not done yet. We also had bake sales to send our girls (all 35 of them COST FREE) to our two annual events, Grand Session and Jamboree. It’s a lot of money but if you fund raise like crazy like I did the girls can just go to have fun. Still not done… we also had silent auctions for the women’s shelter in Waukesha. We also spent time playing BINGO with several senior citizens; which you probably know they love their bingo 🙂 Wanna know what else we did? We served weddings, about 4 weddings a month at a local banquet hall. > Here’s another thing I have a problem with “They’re an exclusionary group” WRONG AGAIN! I personally have Jobie (short for Job’s Daughters) friends that are black, white, christian, jewish, muslim and agnostic. So what may go for your step daughter’s bethel is not the greater whole. That’s something you should have brought up to the Grand Guardian Council because the International Order of Job’s Daughters… sorry now it’s Job’s Daughters International is ALL INCLUSIVE! All girls are welcome, yes we have parts of the meeting that you do have to either be a member of JD or another Masonic organization to attend but that is no different than any Sorority or Fraternity. > yes we do have prayers… however not all bethels use the cross; we also have the triangle or square and compass symbols. It is up to the Bethel Guardian to determine which should be used, as I said before we have jewish and muslim members as well so some bethels choose the more appropriate closing formations. As far as dress… the white robes are to EQUALIZE everyone! And we’re required to wear hosiery… sounds like your bethel broke a lot of the bylaws of the organization (which as Honored Queen I was REQUIRED to read and follow to the letter) Yes we have to wear skirts to the meeting because we’re all supposed to be proper ladies and that means skirts and nice shoes, AKA church clothes. We do the no jewelry thing for two reasons, equalization in the bethel room (hence the white robes) and showing we value other things than material goods. > I also have a HUGE problem with your wife saying we’re connected to the KKK… this couldn’t be more further from the truth. We do NOT promote hate, exclusion or racism. We promote inclusion, doing good deeds, upholding the higher ideals of womanhood like respect of elders (who aren’t ignorant jerks), kindness to others, including strangers, and understanding of people from all walks of life. > I have tried really hard to not let my profanity that I am thinking lace this post but you sir, are incredibly, horribly wrong about this wonderful organization. These issues that you were having seem to be the product of a bethel that is not following the rules. Also we do NOT require you to be of any certain religion, and if your stepdaughter really felt strongly about staying in the organization then shame on you for not talking to other adults in the organization to help you feel more comfortable. That’s what they are there for! It’s a community, a family and if someone is uncomfortable with something the adults are supposed to help the adults and the girls are supposed to help the girls. I’ve seen this situation many times and it doesn’t anger me any less each time I see it. I’ve seen girls who are extremely happy in the organization be ripped away from her friends and second family because her parents (or in this case step parent) are not open enough to ask questions, be involved and actually try to understand. If you ended up taking her out of this organization that teaches leadership, organization, public speaking, taking pride in yourself, charity and all these wonderful values, then sir you made a horrible parenting decision. This organization brought me from being a disrespectful little shit to a beautiful and respectful young woman. I owe this organization a lot because it made me who I am today. I have successfully run a bethel, ran for Miss Wisconsin twice, overcome my stage fright, and became very involved in my community all because of this organization. So sir… if you have a problem with anything I said or would like to hear more positive stories, or if your wife has any problems with anything I said to her Please feel free to email me your comments and I’ll try to respond eloquently. > Danielle M Johnson PHQ and MM of Bethel #19 West Allis WI The white robes, again, I know, DO seem a little sketchy, however, they are based off of grecian robes, and have no association with KKK or other groups like that. Also, the closing cross is one of the most popular closing formations, however there is also a square and compass formation, and a closing triangle. If your daughter is not comfortable doing a closing cross, or even singing “onward christian soldiers”, there are substitutes, in accordance to the ritual, that she could talk to the current Honored Queen and/or Bethel Guardian about, and I’m sure they would understand! ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/75 "2014-07-17T02:05:04Z")
_ **Sigh.** _ **BreMue** , welcome to the SDMB, always a pleasure to see new members. Did you read the WHOLE thread, and note that it was started nine years ago, by a poster who hasn’t been here in over seven years? ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2014, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/76 "2014-07-17T11:21:06Z")
I never had heard of Job’s Daughters before I read this. Ah, it seems to me is JDs is pretty similar to the Boy Scouts I was a member in as a kid. Even though my troop was sponsored by a church, that only meant they allowed us to use their multi-function hall for meetings and allotted a closet to us for the storage of the troops tents. My antisemitism radar was pretty sensitive then and I didn’t notice any. Actually, I think the important issue is the kids ping-ponging between 2 sets of parents with 2 sets of rules. I don’t know how far apart the sets of parents are, but I can understand the girl wanting to maintain the same social group no matter which parents she’s staying with that week, weekend, or however custody is divided. Hell, the girl should have some consistency, right? And maybe some meeting of the minds between both parental sets could have resolved the airsoft gun issue. But it’s history now. It’s either been worked out or not. Airsoft boy is 20 now and could have served a tour in Afghanistan with the Marines. So it goes… ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/77 "2014-07-17T12:31:04Z")
> [@madcossack](#): > > Quoting myself: > > “Airsoft”, as he calls it, > > I’m not sure that’s what it really is called, but it’s definitely not paintball. He had a pellet stuck in his shoe the other day, and when I asked what it was, he confirmed that it was from the guns he played with, calling it “Airsoft”. It’s what he and his friends call it. > > And it sure wasn’t soft! 🙂 Airsoft is… I’ll call it an evolution… from paintball. They are separate things. However, both use compressed air and fairly high velocity. Paintball “guns” usually shoot .68 caliber paintballs around 230-300fps. Airsoft “guns” shoot small rubber/plastic pellets, like copper bb’s but made of rubber/plastic. Also at a fairly high velocity. Both pack a sting when hit! Haha Airsoft “guns” do tend more towards replica’s of modern firearms whereas paintball “guns” generally do not look like a real gun. MeanJoe ---
**Author:** ![Jobies\_heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@Jobies\_heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jobies_heart)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/78 "2015-10-01T00:29:37Z")
If you read the story of Job, which not many do. In summery, Job’s faith was being tested by ‘the adversary’. So he took away all that he had (ei. home, cattle, crops, and his children) He was also lost all friends other than beggars and outcasts. But through all of this he remained faithful. So he was rewarded for his unwavering faith by restoring twice of the worlds goods and more sons and three daughters. The three daughters were known as the fairest in the land. Those new Daughters (gift from God) is which the order is found. I hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Jobies\_heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@Jobies\_heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jobies_heart)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/79 "2015-10-01T00:48:55Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > The problem is, Danielle, if you were part of a cult that brainwashed you, would your post be any different? hahaha, I guarantee there is no brainwashing involved. I have been involved for many years as a member and now as a parent. I am always pushing boundaries or as some would call me the ‘Rebel’. If I didn’t agree I would not stay involved. The truth about the order is you can go to any local library and pick up a Job’s daughters Ritual. There is no ‘explanations’ as to why but if you were to ask a member or parent. They would have no problem giving explanations. I feel it is a teaching organization. Teaches great things to youth like public speaking, leadership, respect for self and others, Organization, respect for country, charity, community, and much more. Job’s Daughters isn’t for everyone, but those that are involved certainly should not be treated badly for it. There are parts that I can not say are all butterflies and Rainbows… but no organization is perfect, I always try to do what is best for the girls involved. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-jobs-daughters/308718/80 "2015-10-01T14:15:44Z")
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