# What's up with Liz Cheney? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 19, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965 "2013-07-19T18:55:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/1 "2013-07-19T18:55:42Z")
I should start off by saying I’m neither a conservative nor from Wyoming, but I didn’t think that Mike Enzi had done anything to encourage a primary challenger. When I heard Liz Cheney was announcing a Senate bid, I thought there was maybe something I didn’t know, but [initial polls seem to back my initial impression](http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2013/07/19/liz-cheney-trails-big-in-poll-for-wyoming-republican-senatorial-primary/). Is this just hubris? Or does she have some sort of ace up her sleeve? ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/2 "2013-07-19T19:18:09Z")
> [@](#): > > does she have some sort of ace up her sleeve? “Back out of the race, or my dad will shoot you in the face. Then have you waterboarded in an undisclosed location.” Wouldn’t have to be true to be a great threat. 😃 Probably just feels like she ought to run and get it over with. I can imagine there’s talk around the table at holidays and such. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/3 "2013-07-19T19:28:49Z")
She’s the next generation neocon, but it seems they’d like to keep that on the down low for now: She was chairman of [Keep America Safe](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28212.html), yet all web presence for that organization was [scrubbed](http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/07/17/2317311/liz-cheney-keep-america-safe/) just before she announced. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/4 "2013-07-19T19:37:11Z")
Where to get your start in politics? If you’re Liz, run for the US Senate. Don’t bother messing around in a statehouse or US House, just start right at the top. If there’s an incumbent from your own party in the way, just call him “confused”. What a classless, arrogant bitch. Chip off the old block. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/5 "2013-07-19T20:11:00Z")
Is she just fronting for her dad, perhaps? Who’s \*really \*the candidate? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/6 "2013-07-19T20:23:55Z")
She moved to Wyoming to run, maybe with the expectation Enzi was going to retire. He isn’t, and I guess she decided or someone convinced her that since she had already gone to all the trouble of getting ready to campaign she might as well run against him. I wonder if there’s anything more to it than that. He’s not that old and he’s not a moderate. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/7 "2013-07-19T20:39:28Z")
Did she claim when she moved to Wyoming that it had nothing to do with politics? I’ve heard she has tons of money behind her, anyone know if that’s the case? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/8 "2013-07-19T20:42:11Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > Did she claim when she moved to Wyoming that it had nothing to do with politics? [Yes.](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79838.html) Don’t they always? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/9 "2013-07-19T23:58:14Z")
Big names draw big money. But as a bona fide Tea Party supporter, I have no interest in her candidacy and have no issues with Mike Enzi. Although I really wish Alan Simpson hadn’t retired. That’s a standup guy. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/10 "2013-07-20T02:00:47Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Where to get your start in politics? If you’re Liz, run for the US Senate. Don’t bother messing around in a statehouse or US House, just start right at the top. If there’s an incumbent from your own party in the way, just call him “confused”. What a classless, arrogant bitch. Chip off the old block. I’m not a fan of Liz Cheney, but you think Hillary Clinton was “a classless, arrogant bitch” for starting her political career by moving to New York and running for Senate there rather than “messing around in the statehouse or the US House”? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/11 "2013-07-20T02:26:00Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m not a fan of Liz Cheney, but you think Hillary Clinton was “a classless, arrogant bitch” for starting her political career by moving to New York and running for Senate there rather than “messing around in the statehouse or the US House”? Hillary didn’t call a sitting US Senator “confused”. Nor has she spent 4+ years making continuous and often groundless slams against a sitting president. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/12 "2013-07-20T03:20:49Z")
Plus Hillary Clinton played a huge role in a very successful Presidency. She was at least as important as Al Gore. She wasn’t a co-President, but she was at least a co-VP in terms of her participation in policymaking. It’s one of those things that can’t be bragged about publicly, but when people say that Clinton has experience and gravitas, they ain’t referring to her time as a junior New York Senator. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/13 "2013-07-20T03:31:37Z")
Pretty good gravitas, considering. But she has too much dignity to flaunt them. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/14 "2013-07-20T03:44:52Z")
More political acumen than dignity. Her weakness is that she won’t show the world her real self. She hides behind more handling than any candidate I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/15 "2013-07-20T08:48:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I wonder if there’s anything more to it than that. He’s not that old and he’s not a moderate. Enzi’s not really well liked by the Tea Party and groups like that. They think he’s been in Washington too long, and are mad that he supported the internet sales tax. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/16 "2013-07-20T08:57:50Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m not a fan of Liz Cheney, but you think Hillary Clinton was “a classless, arrogant bitch” for starting her political career by moving to New York and running for Senate there rather than “messing around in the statehouse or the US House”? I’m a New Yorker, specifically a Western New Yorker, and I agree with this. Hilary moved in, called me a hillbilly, and got elected running against an empty suit thanks to NYC voters. I don’t know if she realized it herself or one of her staff informed her, but she eventually stopped talking about the rest of the state as this untapped wilderness about halfway through her first time. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/17 "2013-07-20T09:40:54Z")
Captain Amazing brings up a good point, Marley. There’s more to being a Tea Party than being far right on the ideological scale. Problem is, I don’t know that Liz Cheney, the daughter of the ex-CEO of Haliburton, is going to change Washington. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/18 "2013-07-20T10:36:16Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m not a fan of Liz Cheney, but you think Hillary Clinton was “a classless, arrogant bitch” for starting her political career by moving to New York and running for Senate there rather than “messing around in the statehouse or the US House”? The big difference was Moynihan had announced he was retiring. Clinton wasn’t trying to take a Senate seat away from a member of her own party. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/19 "2013-07-20T10:39:58Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I’m a New Yorker, specifically a Western New Yorker, and I agree with this. > > Hilary moved in, called me a hillbilly, and got elected running against an empty suit thanks to NYC voters. I don’t know if she realized it herself or one of her staff informed her, but she eventually stopped talking about the rest of the state as this untapped wilderness about halfway through her first time. I’m surprised by this. Clinton’s campaign was actually notable for how much she traveled outside of NYC and throughout the state. She made sure to stage events in every county of the state and she was able to discuss local issues when she did so. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965/20 "2013-07-20T11:40:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Did she claim when she moved to Wyoming that it had nothing to do with politics? > [@](#): > > Yes. Don’t they always? I was thinking, “wasn’t she born there?”, but no- the internetz say she was born in Wisconsin. So, yeah. Kind of a crass move. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-liz-cheney/663965.md?page=2)