# What's up with this barn? \[picture\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 17, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498 "2007-09-17T15:56:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/101 "2007-09-27T14:12:50Z")
What I find interesting is some of the Bosslet pictures on the site seam to have been modified for arts sake by doing some line painting on old building remnants. Eberhard Bosslet is a German artist into building inspired art. [http://www.mercerunion.org/archive95/257.html](http://www.mercerunion.org/archive95/257.html) > **[Eberhard Bosslet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_Bosslet)** > > Eberhard Bosslet (born 1953) is a German contemporary artist who has been producing site-specific art and architectural-related works, such as sculpture, installation, light art and painting, all indoors and outdoors, since 1979. > Eberhard Bosslet was born in 1953 in Speyer, Germany, He has lived in Berlin and Dresden. > Bosslet co-founded the artist group, "Material & Effect" (Material & Wirkung) in Berlin in 1981, and since 1980, has been the co-director of the artistspace "MOPEDS" in Berlin/K... > **[bosslet - Zeitgenössische Kunst, Kunst der Gegenwart, contemporary...](http://www.bosslet.de/)** > > Kunstmuseen und Kunstvereine mit Werken von Eberhard Bosslet I think the Bosslet pictures are by him or more likely somebody that is a admirer of his work and is imitating him. An interesting tie in regardless of intent or coincidence. Anybody that knows the artist’s work is welcome to add what they want. I claim no expertise on this guy’s work. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/102 "2007-09-27T15:14:07Z")
[QUOTE=Harmonious Discord] An interesting tie in regardless of intent or coincidence. Anybody that knows the artist’s work is welcome to add what they want. I claim no expertise on this guy’s work. [/QUOTE] Whaddya know about floating barns? ---
**Author:** ![Kuboydal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecb155/32.png) [@Kuboydal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kuboydal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/103 "2007-09-27T15:20:53Z")
one landed on my sister. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/104 "2007-09-27T17:19:38Z")
[Museum of Hoaxes](http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/floating_barn/) concludes it is probably real. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/105 "2007-09-27T18:20:41Z")
[QUOTE=lee] [Museum of Hoaxes](http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/floating_barn/) concludes it is probably real. [/QUOTE] Of the two pictures noted in that link, one has been photoshopped. The first picture has uprights missing in the second picture. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/106 "2007-09-27T21:00:31Z")
This has been photoshopped. I can tell from the pixels and from having seen many photoshops in my time. \>.\> \<.\< ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/107 "2007-09-27T21:18:34Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Of the two pictures noted in that link, one has been photoshopped. The first picture has uprights missing in the second picture. [/QUOTE] As previously mentioned - those uprights may just be drainage pipes that were added or removed between the two photographs being shot. ETA: oh, wait - you mean the ladder thing - yes, I concur that’s missing in one shot and it does look structural and essential in the one where it is present. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/108 "2007-09-27T21:20:38Z")
[QUOTE=Oni no Maggie] This has been photoshopped. I can tell from the pixels and from having seen many photoshops in my time. \>.\> \<.\< [/QUOTE] C’mon. ‘I can tell from the pixels’ has to be the vaguest assertion possible. Which pixels and what’s wrong with them? ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/109 "2007-09-27T21:28:40Z")
I believe that’s sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/110 "2007-09-27T21:31:35Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] As previously mentioned - those uprights may just be drainage pipes that were added or removed between the two photographs being shot. ETA: oh, wait - you mean the ladder thing - yes, I concur that’s missing in one shot and it does look structural and essential in the one where it is present. [/QUOTE] Right. I was just pointing out to \*\*lee \*\*that the folks who declared it genuine were using at least one photo that had been altered. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/111 "2007-09-27T21:49:28Z")
OK, there’s a third angle shot here: > **[Archinect | Connecting Architects Since 1997](https://archinect.com/)** > > The goal of Archinect is to make architecture more connected and open-minded, and bring together designers from around the world to introduce new ideas from all disciplines. Archinect was initially developed in 1997 and has since become the top... -This one is also inconsistent with the other two. I’m changing my mind about this one - I believe it’s a fake - here’s why: -In the second shot on the Museum Of Hoaxes site (this image: [http://s3.amazonaws.com/bloghoax/barn2.jpg](http://s3.amazonaws.com/bloghoax/barn2.jpg) ) - we can clearly see the supporting truss structure on the end frame - it splays out, runs up the outside corner of the building, then tapers back in again to support the pent roof. -In the other picture, (this one: [http://s3.amazonaws.com/bloghoax/barn.jpg](http://s3.amazonaws.com/bloghoax/barn.jpg) ), that end frame support structure appears absent, but we can see another one - one third of the way from the right side of the building. We can also see a similar lattice/ladder construction at the leftmost end - it just doesn’t extend down to the ground. OK, now in the third picture (this one: [Archinect | Connecting Architects Since 1997](http://www.archinect.com/gallery/albums/userpics/kindza2%2B%7E0.jpg)), the rightmost end frame legs are back, but the ones in the middle are mysteriously gone - except they’re not - only the part that would be silhouetted against the sky is missing - the bit in front of the hopper is still there. The building had four identical end frames - some of these might have been removed during demolition, but some have certainly been 'shopped out. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/112 "2007-09-27T22:00:03Z")
\*\*Mangetout, \*\*your last link goes nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/113 "2007-09-27T22:07:42Z")
[This](http://www.gurman.co.uk/stuff/missingbits.jpg) image highlights the bits missing from each shot Sorry about the link - the board software parsed the closing bracket into the URL - if you delete it from your browser’s address bar, you’ll see the image - or click here: > **[Archinect | Connecting Architects Since 1997](https://archinect.com/)** > > The goal of Archinect is to make architecture more connected and open-minded, and bring together designers from around the world to introduce new ideas from all disciplines. Archinect was initially developed in 1997 and has since become the top... ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/114 "2007-09-28T06:59:50Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] OK, there’s a third angle shot here: > **[Archinect | Connecting Architects Since 1997](https://archinect.com/)** > > The goal of Archinect is to make architecture more connected and open-minded, and bring together designers from around the world to introduce new ideas from all disciplines. Archinect was initially developed in 1997 and has since become the top... -This one is also inconsistent with the other two. I’m changing my mind about this one - I believe it’s a fake - here’s why: [/QUOTE] You believe the barn’s a fake? Or just the pictures? You’ve shown inconsistencies between all three. I think the pictures have all been 'shopped a little, to make them more unbelievable, but somewhere there is a really cool barn that is unbelievable in it’s own damn right. We agree? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/115 "2007-09-28T07:25:32Z")
I think there is or was a barn (a granary, I believe) on stilts somewhere, possibly as claimed in the Ukraine. I believe part of that barn may be cantilevered - maybe the rightmost pair of hoppers in [this](http://s3.amazonaws.com/bloghoax/barn2.jpg) shot. It’s definitely been photoshopped in a couple of the images, maybe this implies it’s not cantilevered at all, but maybe there was some degree of cantilever, perhaps happening accidentally during demolition and lasting long enough for three photographs to be taken. It’s approximately the same time of day in all three of those photographs. That might just be coincidence, but I think they’ve all come from the same person and that person has altered them before ever publishing them. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/116 "2007-09-28T07:38:47Z")
It’s cool. What I don’t understand… On further reflection, the barn, with all the steel supports, is a viable construction. A steel frame, with wood and tin roof hung from it, is doable. But why? If you build a timber-frame construction at the end with the cement footing, _and an equal timber-frame construction at the other end_… why isn’t that more practical than this “Falling Waters” version? If out of the Ukraine, I can’t imagine steel I-beams are any consideration of some farmer building a barn/grain hopper. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/117 "2007-09-28T08:20:41Z")
As I said, I think the building is a granary - maybe a threshing shed or something - it’s off the ground to allow vehicles to be driven underneath for loading from the hoppers (also, keeping it off the ground might minimise rat problems). The concrete bit actually looks like it’s just a cinder block wall around one of the hoppers - as if whatever comes out of it is intended only to fill the space inside the wall. I don’t think that’s a footing at all. I can see why it might be that the end furthest from the wall might have been cantilevered - so that vehicles of any width could get underneath, but I don’t think the whole thing would have been. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/118 "2007-09-28T13:56:51Z")
A cantilevered structure for grain and ore is not rare. The only problem with this picture is it’s shown in an extreme way that would not stay up for long. I believe it was photographed after some of it was taken down, and then the pictures have been messed with. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/119 "2007-09-28T14:17:41Z")
I concur. An originally partly-cantilevered building rendered oddly over-cantilevered by partial demolition or dilapidation, photographed and rendered implausibly over-cantilevered in the digital image. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498/120 "2007-09-28T16:50:08Z")
Wait… This was moved to MPSIMS, but we’re back to discussing the (un)reality of the original photos? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-this-barn-picture/419498.md?page=7)