# What's up with X-Men Evolution? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2003, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583 "2003-05-21T16:13:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![ladybug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/46a35a/32.png) [@ladybug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladybug)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2003, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/261 "2003-07-12T14:39:56Z")
For those of you who are interested, the new episodes of _X-Men: Evolution_ are scheduled to start on Saturday, August 2 on KidsWB. Mark your calendars! 🙂 This has been a public service announcement from your friendly neighborhood ladybug. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Siegfried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siegfried)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/262 "2003-07-12T15:46:29Z")
Really? August 2nd? That’s awesome; the last I heard was that they were starting sometime in mid-September. Whoo-hoo! Going back to where Cartoon Network is in airing the episodes, I think that “The Day of Reckoning” and “The Day of Recovery” are among the best episodes of the series. A lot goes on; a lot changes. The episode coming up on Sunday, “The Stuff of Heroes,” is actually the first full episode I watched and wraps up the current arc. Unfortunately, I found it to be a bit lacking in some of the characterizations and the plot. It’s an okay episode, but not as great as the ones leading into it. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/263 "2003-07-13T01:39:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sock Munkey \* > **At least they left some of the blood in both Voltron series.** Yes, but they disguised it as non-blood. The dialog is rife with comments like “they’re shooting down our robotic attack fighters” and “destroy the android stormtroopers.” Every time someone dies, they either make sure the audience knows that the “person” who died was actually a robot or they change the script so that he doesn’t die. (In one episode of the Vehicle Team Voltron, Crick has a flashback to his childhood where it’s very obvious that his brother has been mortally wounded. As the camera pulled back from this touching scene, the American translators had the young Crick say, “Oh, brother, I’m so glad you’re all right!” :mad: ) ---
**Author:** ![Sock\_Munkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Sock\_Munkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sock_Munkey)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/264 "2003-07-15T15:19:07Z")
Question, when Cyke and Havok went through Magneto’s enhancement chamber why did they revert to normal when they ran out of energy while Magneto and Mystique kept their enhanced abilities despite the fact that they have pushed themselves just as hard on other occasions since? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/265 "2003-07-15T16:32:18Z")
Well, Mystique’s abilities don’t involve quite the power output that Cyke’s and Havok’s do, and I’m not so sure that Magneto has pushed himself that hard (at least, not since his asteroid was destroyed). Remember that his powers were incredible even before being enhanced. In the comics, Asteroid-M was in geosynchronous orbit, but in Evolution, it appeared to be no more than a few thousand feet above the ground (if it were in space, the chopper couldn’t have reached it). C & H destroyed it with that one combined blast…but Magneto was holding it up without visible effort. In fact, he didn’t even seem to be paying any attention to it, as if it were as easy as breathing. Of course, we don’t know how many times Magneto may have used his device to recharge himself, either. Maybe the last charge just hasn’t run out, yet. On the subject of Rogue’s accent–I’m with **king of spain** , it’s actually pretty good. She sounds a lot like a girl I went to high school with, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Siegfried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siegfried)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/266 "2003-07-15T16:49:40Z")
I’ve been thinking a lot on the subject as well. The only conclusion I can come to is that the destruction of the enhancement chamber on Asteroid M knocked down the amount of evolution they all received but didn’t completely return the users back to how they were prior to going in. The main case I’m using for this is Mystique. At the end of “The Cauldron, Part II,” she emerges from the chamber prior to destruction and looks radically different from her normal appearance. She looks very muscular and very reptilian. It’s kind of a close approximation of her movie incarnation but with a massive dose of woman body builder in there. However, the next time we see her in her true form, she looks much more like her original form in _Evolution_. Pretty much, she only changed her standard outfit. However, she can apparently disguise her smell (per Logan in “Mainstream”) and her shapeshifting effect is completely different. How this effected the other characters is where my theory breaks down. We know Sabretooth returned to his original _Evolution_ appearance; however, I have no idea how his and Magneto’s powers are different from originally shown. When it comes to Scott and Alex, I think I can see some difference in their powers. Alex doesn’t complain again about his joints being on fire; that might be a lingering effect of the chamber. Scott’s optic beams also seem a bit more powerful in “The Stuff of Heroes” and “Blind Alley.” I admit that that is rather flimsy reasoning and evidence, though. Plus, I have no idea how to account for Rogue’s shapeshifting abilities in “Self-Possessed.” After her recent contact with Mystique/Risty, she doesn’t gain the ability to cloak her scent per Logan. However, she gained Mystique’s memories and, if I remember correctly, the new shapeshifting effect. The only other option I can think of, though, is that Mystique went through some sort of evolution on her own during the down time between “The Cauldron, Part II” and in “Growing Pains.” Maybe it was a natural thing that her powers improved, or she did something to herself to forced her powers to get more advanced. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2003, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/267 "2003-07-17T01:33:53Z")
On last night’s episode, “The Stuff of Villains,” Kitty Pryde accidentally leaves her toothbrush _inside of the Beast_ for a few seconds. I just hope she didn’t leave it inside any vital organs! That would be pretty darned disruptive. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/268 "2003-07-17T19:27:01Z")
Call me “Quickwart”! Toad just kills me, I don’t know why. And is there some cartoon convention against showing body hair? Not that I wanted them to, mind you, but apparently Logan shaves his chest every day. ---
**Author:** ![Sock\_Munkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Sock\_Munkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sock_Munkey)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/269 "2003-07-18T01:06:22Z")
Toad is easilly the funniest one on the show and yes, Wolverine should have looked like he had on a wool sweater instead of that baby-smoothness. ---
**Author:** ![FairyDust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@FairyDust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyDust)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/270 "2003-07-18T03:43:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ladybug \* > \*\*For those of you who are interested, the new episodes of _X-Men: Evolution_ are scheduled to start on Saturday, August 2 on KidsWB. Mark your calendars! 🙂 > > This has been a public service announcement from your friendly neighborhood ladybug. \*\* Yay! [Here’s a page about the new episode](http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0307/12/index.htm). ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/271 "2003-07-18T22:44:30Z")
Kewl! It sounds like they’re going to create a new character that’s never even appeared in the comics before. But I gotta ask: Why can’t comic-book (and comic-book-based cartoon) female characters stand up straight? They’re always shown posing with their hips thrust to one side. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/272 "2003-07-20T03:54:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*Kewl! It sounds like they’re going to create a new character that’s never even appeared in the comics before. > > But I gotta ask: Why can’t comic-book (and comic-book-based cartoon) female characters stand up straight? They’re always shown posing with their hips thrust to one side. \*\* It’s the Jessica Alba effect. I mean, really, I don’t think I’ve seen a Dark Angel promo where JA was standing without her hip/chest thrust out prominently. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2003, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/273 "2003-07-20T16:00:45Z")
Perhaps as a not-so-subtle way of saying, “Hey, viewer, have you noticed recently that I have female pelvic bones?” ---
**Author:** ![king\_of\_spain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7cd45c/32.png) [@king\_of\_spain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/king_of_spain)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/274 "2003-07-20T16:21:19Z")
Hey, question: I know in the cartoon Mystique does have some sort of “foster-mother” relationship to Rogue, right? How did that happen in the Evolution universe? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2003, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/275 "2003-07-20T17:25:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KKBattousai \* > \*\*It’s the Jessica Alba effect. I mean, really, I don’t think I’ve seen a Dark Angel promo where JA was standing without her hip/chest thrust out prominently. \*\* Combined with pouting. Ya gotta have the pouting. ---
**Author:** ![Shortie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Shortie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shortie)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/276 "2003-07-20T22:12:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by king of spain \* > \*\*Hey, question: I know in the cartoon Mystique does have some sort of “foster-mother” relationship to Rogue, right? How did that happen in the Evolution universe? \*\* Rogue was brought up by Destiny / Irene Adler. Whether or not Mystique was involved directly isn’t clear from the eps I’ve watched, though she certainly knew about Rogue via Destiny. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/277 "2003-07-20T22:29:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shortie \* > \*\*Rogue was brought up by Destiny / Irene Adler. Whether or not Mystique was involved directly isn’t clear from the eps I’ve watched, though she certainly knew about Rogue via Destiny. \*\* There is some awareness, I remember one scen in an episode where Nightcrawler, when talking to Rogue mentions their “mother”. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/278 "2003-07-22T08:13:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*Kewl! It sounds like they’re going to create a new character that’s never even appeared in the comics before. > \*\* Don’t count on it…I’m willing to bet that this new character’s name is going to be [“Rina”](http://www.geocities.com/Nichol_key/Wildthing.html). Hell, even _Spike_ seems to be based off of [an X-Force/X-Statix character.](http://24.191.192.76:8000/spike.html) ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/279 "2003-07-22T11:13:40Z")
I must say this is by far the most sucessful thread I ever made. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583/280 "2003-07-23T14:31:28Z")
It’s because of your winning personality and that you have started scrubbing behind your ears :). Also, it’s because the show is so darned good. Of course, it helps my appreciation of it when I can see episodes I missed the first time around, like when Rogue goes nutty and really lets go. Made her much scarier than even her comic flying/invulnerable self. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-up-with-x-men-evolution/176583.md?page=15)