# What's With All The Jew Hate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 22, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021 "2009-04-22T21:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/81 "2009-04-23T23:19:24Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I don’t think chintzy is at all offensive, as it comes from Sanskrit pretty directly. > > On the other hand, using the name of a group as a slur is, itself, always going to be offensive even if it enters common parlance. That’s why “don’t be such a faggot” is “you’re such a Jew” or “you’re acting like a nigger!” are all offensive, and will be in 100 years. I agree. Why even use the word “Jew” when such perfectly fine words as “gyp” exists? What??? ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/82 "2009-04-23T23:26:14Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I know this happened to my mom in my hometown once. Well, she’s not Jewish–we’re South Asian/Muslim, so the person talking to her assumed she was also an anti semite, and made some remark about “those people” or something to that effect. My mom wasn’t amused. Yeah, I think I got this in part because I’m blonde/blue-eyed, and this bitch (deserved epithet for so many reasons!) would never have thought for a second that a) I might be Jewish or b) even if not Jewish, might not approve of nasty anti-Semitic remarks. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/83 "2009-04-23T23:40:09Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Surprisingly, the people that YOU probably expect to be the most anti-semitic (i.e. Southern fundamentalists) tend to like Jews, at least in the abstract. They reserve their real animosity for Catholics. > > I know, it’s counterintuitive. That’s why a moron like Sacha Baron Cohen wasted so much time searching for anti-semitism among Southern rednecks. If he really wanted to hear vile antisemitism in America, he should have spent more time in black ghettos. I would not be so happy, IIRC many Southern Fundamentalists like Jews because they see them as being one of the groups that will get it on the last days, they expect that many Jews will convert as Jesus will return in all glory in the near future… …Or be ready for the slaughter if they do not. I would not be happy with friends that could wonder one day why the Apocalypse is not coming and would then do something to make it so. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/84 "2009-04-23T23:59:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You don’t have to explain all of this; nobody’s going to suggest you’re an anti-Semite because of anything of the sort. My point was that some Jews actively feed the stereotype, particularly my friend who makes a production of saying, “Well I do this because I’m Jewish.” > [@](#): > > I agree completely. But I wasn’t talking about speaking up. I was saying that remarks can be hurtful and prejudiced even if “he didn’t mean anything by it.” Right. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/85 "2009-04-24T00:12:30Z")
In my experience the “southern rednecks” (or midwestern, as they may be) like the Jews because they respect Israel. Not really because it has anything to do with Biblical prophecy, but because they respect a people who can fight and fight hard. Israel’s military prowess is very impressive to the ex-military, right wing gun-store crowd. Israel is pretty much universally respected among the “gun nuts,” a group that prevailing wisdom would have you believe are a bunch of Jew-hating bigots. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/86 "2009-04-24T00:34:36Z")
Much Jew-hatred has, I believe, been sublimated into dislike of groups once associated, rightly or wrongly, with Jews. Examples: urbanites, academics, intellectuals, smartasses, liberals, left-of-liberals, the so-called “cultural elite,” and people who are obsessive, nitpicking, neurotic, or neurasthenic. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/87 "2009-04-24T13:33:05Z")
It’s sometimes difficult to distinguish between anti-Semitism and stereotypes. The following is a true story. I know a Jewish guy, let’s call him Sam Weiss. He was one of the only non-Koreans in a Korean law firm. Virtually all business in this law firm was conducted in Korean, which served a Korean clientele. He didn’t understand Korean, but he once overheard a colleague on the phone talking in Korean and mention his name in mid-conversation - “blah blah blah Sam Weiss blah blah blah …”. So he asked why his name came up. The other lawyer had been talking to a plaintiff suing one of their firm’s clients. They had been urging him to settle out of court, but he insisted that he wasn’t going to do this - he was sure he was going to win in court. And why? Because he had a Jewish lawyer. So the colleague responded “oh, you have a Jewish lawyer, huh? Well we’re going to put Sam Weiss on your case. He’s so Jewish, he only eats kosher!” Sam Weiss himself thought this was highly amusing, and I guess it’s nice to be thought of as a good lawyer whatever the reason. But my feeling is that this is part of a general stereotype of Jews as shrewd, underhanded schemers. People perceive same qualities as an advantage when they’re being used on their behalf, but they color the overall feelings about Jews in a negative way. ISTR reading about various anti-Semites who preferred Jewish lawyers and the like, for similar reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/88 "2009-04-24T13:41:03Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > ISTR reading about various anti-Semites who preferred Jewish lawyers and the like, for similar reasons. [Which puts me in mind of this Onion story.](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31181) ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/89 "2009-04-24T14:26:38Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > It’s sometimes difficult to distinguish between anti-Semitism and stereotypes. The following is a true story. > > I know a Jewish guy, let’s call him Sam Weiss. He was one of the only non-Koreans in a Korean law firm. Virtually all business in this law firm was conducted in Korean, which served a Korean clientele. He didn’t understand Korean, but he once overheard a colleague on the phone talking in Korean and mention his name in mid-conversation - “blah blah blah Sam Weiss blah blah blah …”. So he asked why his name came up. > > The other lawyer had been talking to a plaintiff suing one of their firm’s clients. They had been urging him to settle out of court, but he insisted that he wasn’t going to do this - he was sure he was going to win in court. And why? Because he had a Jewish lawyer. So the colleague responded “oh, you have a Jewish lawyer, huh? Well we’re going to put Sam Weiss on your case. He’s so Jewish, he only eats kosher!” > > Sam Weiss himself thought this was highly amusing, and I guess it’s nice to be thought of as a good lawyer whatever the reason. But my feeling is that this is part of a general stereotype of Jews as shrewd, underhanded schemers. People perceive same qualities as an advantage when they’re being used on their behalf, but they color the overall feelings about Jews in a negative way. > > ISTR reading about various anti-Semites who preferred Jewish lawyers and the like, for similar reasons. Such stereotypes can be self-perpetuating. An example: in the olden days in Ontario, when my parents were growing up in the 1940s, it was widely assumed that there was an “imbalance” of too many Jews in medical schools (there was a similar kerfuffle about an “imbalance” of Asians in Engineering in the 1980s, but I digress). This was thought, by non-Jews, to be highly unfair - “everyone knew” that Jews made “naturally good doctors”, which was perceived as unfair to non-Jews who wanted to be doctors. The “solution” was institutionalized discrimination - if you were a Jew who wanted to get into medical school, you needed higher marks than a non-Jew to qualify. The result? If you were sick and wanted a doctor, you would naturally want a _Jewish_ doctor - you would know, in advance, that they were likely to be better - after all, they needed higher marks just to get into school! ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/90 "2009-04-26T23:28:38Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > And don’t forget, we killed Jesus! > > sigh. Maybe the Sanedrin killed Jesus. Or am I thinking of the Pharisees? IN any event, it was a small elite subset who got the ball rolling, probably for political reasons. It doesn’t validate blaming an entire people for that event, at least IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/91 "2009-04-26T23:44:58Z")
I’ve only ever met one jew (that I know of… well at least he SAID he was a jew). I’ve never heard anyone say anything that would resemble “jew hate” IRL (I’ve seen it in movies though!). Frankly, I’m beginning to think this whole anti-semitism is a hoax. Even the Nazis here (Sweden) don’t talk about jews. Probably because there aren’t that many around. I never really got the jew-hatred thing to be honest. Now albanians on the other hand… don’t even get me started. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/92 "2009-04-26T23:45:03Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > Maybe the Sanedrin killed Jesus. Or am I thinking of the Pharisees? IN any event, it was a small elite subset who got the ball rolling, probably for political reasons. It doesn’t validate blaming an entire people for that event, at least IMO. Well, of course not. But ‘the Jews’ didn’t kill Jesus, anyway, was my point. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/93 "2009-04-27T00:44:06Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > Frankly, I’m beginning to think this whole anti-semitism is a hoax. Yeah, you know The Jews, always inventing fake claims of victimization so as better to control the political discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/94 "2009-04-27T00:45:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Yeah, you know The Jews, always inventing fake claims of victimization so as better to control the political discourse. Oh… I see what you did there. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/95 "2009-04-27T01:17:34Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > And don’t forget, we killed Jesus! > > sigh. Yeah, that used to rally piss me off. Then I kinda saw your side of it. I mean who the hell did he think he was? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/96 "2009-04-27T01:23:17Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > _Somebody_ had to. What kind of a major religion can you start if you die of old age on the couch in front of the TV? I’ll let you know after I rise again. I’ll definitely have cooler sacraments. "Take this Sam Adams and drink it often in rememberence of me. Then he sliced the pizza into 12 slices and said. “Who’s got the remote? Judas you bastard, hand it over” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/97 "2009-04-27T01:35:28Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > "Take this Sam Adams and drink it often in rememberence of me. Then he sliced the pizza into 12 slices and said. “Who’s got the remote? Judas you bastard, hand it over” I might reconvert…can I keep the coat and hat? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/98 "2009-04-27T02:10:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I might reconvert…can I keep the coat and hat? 🙂 Surely, I’m sorry, I’m afraid I need that joke explained ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/99 "2009-04-27T02:35:14Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Surely, > > I’m sorry, I’m afraid I need that joke explained I got this really cool [outfit](http://www.radosh.net/images/matisyahu_kushner.jpg)when I converted. Your communion is pretty cool, but I’d hate to lose the coat, and particularly the hat. Is Samuel Adams Kosher? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021/100 "2009-04-27T03:48:14Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I got this really cool [outfit](http://www.radosh.net/images/matisyahu_kushner.jpg)when I converted. Your communion is pretty cool, but I’d hate to lose the coat, and particularly the hat. > > Is Samuel Adams Kosher? LOL beautiful! About Sam. I don’t know. Let’s say yes, it’s more fun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-all-the-jew-hate/494021.md?page=4)