# What's With The Guns? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298 "2005-02-28T14:59:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/521 "2005-04-13T19:34:12Z")
…listen bucko…me Mom is a McKenna…I AM a Paddy…and my people had the guts to come over here to get away from feckin’ cunts like yourself! …and…you might want to talk to someone…about your Bruce Willis fetish…and your thing for…ellipses… Anyway, what I meant is that, just as Ireland is not one giant crater of bombs, the America you see in the media is–gasp!–exaggerated. Hollywood sells our explosions n’ guns n’ bimbos movies overseas more than the zillions of other types of movies you see here because y’all are often too thick to grasp our more subtle humor and social commentary ones, of which there are plenty. Of course, all the Irish movies I see are about tormented suppressed rural women with mothers who they hate, living in a bog and repressed by Society and the Evil Patriarchal Church. Or about pub-crawling IRA members living in a post-apocalyptic city and repressed by the Brits, Society, and the Evil Patriarchal Church. “How are things in Irish draaaaaama? Glum. Glum. Glum!” - Forbidden Broadway ---
**Author:** ![Arwin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Arwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arwin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/522 "2005-04-13T19:47:32Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > But cars and medical mistakes kill a lot more people. A comment I consider typically american. Cars (about 40.000 deaths, never mind accidents) and guns (30.000 deaths, ditto) are much closer to each other than you suggest and I daresay they both outnumber medical mistakes. > [@](#): > > There’s plenty of Americans like me. I know. 😉 [http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html](http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html) I page like this, that is obviously partisan and even though it is citing the CDC, obviously liberal agenda type stuff, will probably get a few more responses like: hey, we kill a lot, that other countries choose to use medieval weapons to do so is their problem. And yes, 41% of the car related deaths are alcohol related. I have no idea if there are statistics on the number of drunken shootings, or even more confusing, drunken drive-by shootings. It’s almost funny, but there are people dying! DYING! Do you hear??? Nah, we’re on SD and I don’t care. But the guncite page says it all. You wonder why people look at that handgun suspiciously, wonder why they fear guns, wonder why they want to outlaw them, and quite clearly, there’s your reason right there. It looks bad. And while I’m occasionally hearing good reasons for owning a gun, there’s nothing out there so far that makes me believe reducing the number of guns out there isn’t the best thing to get the US down that ladder. I know the US likes to lead the world, but in some areas, it’s just not a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/523 "2005-04-13T19:57:21Z")
> [@Arwin](#): > > Mind you, there are definitely examples, places and situations where the boons do outweigh the dangers. If you live in the middle of nowhere, sure. If you say there’s a threat, there’s no backup, and you’re on your own, that’s fairly similar to living in a lawless society in a way, isn’t it? And the consequences of owning a gun in a sparsely populated area to anyone besides your own is relatively insignificant. I don’t consider it lawless per-se. Just that emergency service of any kind is anywhere from 10-30 minutes away. You just never know where they may be patroling. Lots can happen in 15 minutes. Shit, lots can happen in 15 seconds. We all tend to depend on ourselves, and each other in this area. > [@](#): > > Not entirely sure if some bright fireworks with lots of smoke might be a better defense against that bear, but otherwise … Yeah, they make something that fires a small explosive device at the bear. I guess you’ed want to make sure you don’t shoot behind it :eek: . Anyway, I was told that there are problems with them starting fires. Fireworks are the same way. Considering the fire danger in my area… Yelling at the bears so far just makes them run off about 50 feet or so. A large caliber handgun or rifle shot into the ground/tree in front/near the bear does do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![finn007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90db22/32.png) [@finn007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/finn007)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/524 "2005-04-13T19:59:23Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Well Finn, interesting that you think laws that criminals are going to ignore anyway are the answer to anything, I assume that car bombs are totally illegal where you live, but from watching the news that doesn’t seem to have stopped them from being used to great effect (and carnage) over the last umpty-ump years. > > _sings_ > A nation once again, > And Ireland, long a province, be > A Nation once again!.. Well well well what have we here\*\*…the total asshole\*\*…criminals,terrorists,the one who believes Murdocks news and papers…what the fuck would you know of terrorists…who face the enemy…not use B52S’ from 35000 feet and napalm innocents…in Vietnam and worse in Cambodia …The killing fields and now IRAQ.still looking for WMDS’ no from the beginning IRAQ will be the pumping station of THE USA…and now the axis of evil only MR BUSH got the countries mixed up…oh yes, USA,TURKEY AND ISRAEL since the 1980s’ when you condoned the slaughter of\*\* KURDS by TURKEY\*\* And your PRES.KENNEDY sanctioned the chemical bombing of VIETNAM in the early 1960s, to destroy crops of peasants…and your support of war criminals in S.AMERICA during the same periods acting as puppet dictators for THE USA Oh yes these things happened but you insular inward Americans didn’t know…well go check it out YOU FECKIN EEJIT…No America the land of the free and home of the brave…where the citizens are being conned by governments into believing you are the good guys…NO YOU ARE THE TERRORISTS… **and yes we will be a nation once again,** ,we never invaded anyone our crime was CATHOLIC AND IRISH but the bastards never beat us…we just like yourselves back in what 1786 we demand our FREEDOM…is that wrong ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/525 "2005-04-13T20:00:07Z")
I know. I’ve seen a gun pulled on a subway platform in the 70s, nothing to do with me but everybody had to scatter. A guy pulling a knife 100 feet away on somebody else is bad, but a guy pulling a gun can kill me by accident. Can’t outrun a bullet. Trouble with your thesis is that the people who would be most accessible to such laws would be mostly the people who are already the most peaceful–the ones who duly register their guns, take safety courses, etc. The 15-yo gangsta or the bitter longer nursing a grudge against (fill in the blank)–they’re mostly out of society’s loop already. That said, I agree I wish there was a way so there were fewer guns in general to be stolen, traded, used in anger, etc. And believe me, there are massive public campaigns here against drunken driving, and yes, gun violence. But there’s tons and tons of variables that are hard for anyone to predict, let alone fight coherently with layers of jurisdictions to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/526 "2005-04-13T20:02:09Z")
> [@](#): > > **Arwin** said: > > You have to ask yourself though whether you want to allow a legal purchase of guns in the whole of the U.S.A. because society crumbles in certain parts of it. I don’t. I think the legal purchase of guns should be allowed because there is _no good reason not to_, which is what the government would need in order to disallow it. > [@](#): > > Who does not fear the way you describe your life? I’ve had a crime happen to me, and I have no fear at all. > [@](#): > > I would also want them to continuously consider what should and could be done to improve the situation in terms of crime-prevention and law-enforcement, so that one day people don’t need to carry guns in their homes(surely we can progress beyond sherrif, deputies, vigilanties, and bounty-hunters in even the worst places in the U.S. at some point in time) It doesn’t matter to me if I _need_ a gun. I will always have them because I want to have them. I get enjoyment from them. That they can be used for self defense is just another benefit. > [@](#): > > But would it be required to make guns legal in this scenario? Couldn’t you easily get one anyway? They already are legal here. If ever they are made illegal, then I will become an outlaw. > [@](#): > > And while I’m occasionally hearing good reasons for owning a gun, there’s nothing out there so far that makes me believe reducing the number of guns out there isn’t the best thing to get the US down that ladder. Firstly, we don’t have to have a reason to own guns. I feel no need at all to supply one to you or anyone else. After that, there is the assumption you make that we want to ‘move down that ladder’ by giving up what, since the day the U.S. became an independent country, has been a fundamental freedom. I don’t find it to be a worthwhile trade. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/527 "2005-04-13T20:07:06Z")
> [@finn007](#): > > i would bet you friend ENIPLA that not only have I seen but used more guns in a month than you have had hot dinners in your life time So you used to use an average of 152 guns per day during that month? Fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![finn007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90db22/32.png) [@finn007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/finn007)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/528 "2005-04-13T20:20:18Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > …listen bucko…me Mom is a McKenna…I AM a Paddy…and my people had the guts to come over here to get away from feckin’ cunts like yourself! > > …and…you might want to talk to someone…about your Bruce Willis fetish…and your thing for…ellipses… > > Anyway, what I meant is that, just as Ireland is not one giant crater of bombs, the America you see in the media is–gasp!–exaggerated. Hollywood sells our explosions n’ guns n’ bimbos movies overseas more than the zillions of other types of movies you see here because y’all are often too thick to grasp our more subtle humor and social commentary ones, of which there are plenty. Of course, all the Irish movies I see are about tormented suppressed rural women with mothers who they hate, living in a bog and repressed by Society and the Evil Patriarchal Church. Or about pub-crawling IRA members living in a post-apocalyptic city and repressed by the Brits, Society, and the Evil Patriarchal Church. > > “How are things in Irish draaaaaama? Glum. Glum. Glum!” - Forbid > Broadway ellipses…is that what they are and fetishes my, my,…what knowledge from a pea brain…oh MCKENNA, to get away was it…you mean you ran like fuck to get out of the way. Feck off and go get some decent books and further your education \*\*I’m not being rude. You’re just insignificant. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/529 "2005-04-13T20:22:58Z")
Well. I am OWNED. \ And by Rambo himself, no less. For a second I thought somebody ELSE on this board had gone bonkers. Sorry, **finnagain!** ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/530 "2005-04-13T20:26:06Z")
> [@finn007](#): > > Well well well what have we here\*\*…the total asshole\*\*…NO YOU ARE THE TERRORISTS… > …we just like yourselves back in what 1786 we demand our FREEDOM…is that wrong Are you just here to stir up more crap than we already did for ourselves? If you want to feel superior and preach to us in the U.S., maybe you better **look in your own backyard first**. It isn’t the Yanks who delight in bombing school buses full of kids. It isn’t Yanks who instigate full scale battles in the streets. It isn’t Yanks who have a world famous terror organization calling the shots. Living in a place where there are guns, bombs, rocket launchers etc in the hands of goons gives you no right to judge anyone else. Get your own house in order before you start slinging mud. For everyone else: We (gun owners and former gun owners) do not need to justify why we like things the way they are. We already have the right or priviledge to do what we want (in some places). If you want to take away these rights and priviledges, YOU need to justify why it is necessary. YOU need to prove your case. So far it has been empty rhetoric, and blatant falsehoods. ---
**Author:** ![finn007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90db22/32.png) [@finn007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/finn007)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/531 "2005-04-13T20:29:03Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > So you used to use an average of 152 guns per day during that month? Fascinating. sorry my error…but Americans are politely called obese…were i prefer fat bastards…that i calculated wrongly…so sorry if that vexed you.But sure i know you will forgive me…GOD bless you. :smack: stupid paddy ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/532 "2005-04-13T20:29:20Z")
> [@finn007](#): > > Well well well what have we here\*\*…the total asshole\*\*…criminals,terrorists,the one who believes Murdocks news and papers…what the fuck would you know of terrorists…who face the enemy…not use B52S’ from 35000 feet and napalm innocents…in Vietnam and worse in Cambodia …The killing fields and now IRAQ.still looking for WMDS’ no from the beginning IRAQ will be the pumping station of THE USA…and now the axis of evil only MR BUSH got the countries mixed up…oh yes, USA,TURKEY AND ISRAEL > since the 1980s’ when you condoned the slaughter of\*\* KURDS by TURKEY\*\* > > And your PRES.KENNEDY sanctioned the chemical bombing of VIETNAM in the early 1960s, to destroy crops of peasants…and your support of war criminals in S.AMERICA during the same periods acting as puppet dictators for THE USA > > Oh yes these things happened but you insular inward Americans didn’t know…well go check it out YOU FECKIN EEJIT…No America the land of the free and home of the brave…where the citizens are being conned by governments into believing you are the good guys…NO YOU ARE THE TERRORISTS… > > **and yes we will be a nation once again,** ,we never invaded anyone our crime was CATHOLIC AND IRISH but the bastards never beat us…we just like yourselves back in what 1786 we demand our FREEDOM…is that wrong The point of my message was that people are going to find a way to do violence if they’re so inclined, weather they justify it as hatred of a person’s skin color, the desire for a person’s wallet or as a political freedom fighter. All the laws in the world won’t stop them. However I did enjoy your diatribe against America. Please, do you have anything else to “educate” me about? The degree of delusion is fascinating…As for your last paragraph…Good luck, you’ve been trying since 1920. What’s your plan, gonna kill all the Prods in the name of Irish unity? I think you should, after all, those bastards aren’t REALLY Irish like you are, right? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/533 "2005-04-13T20:42:51Z")
> [@Arwin](#): > > And the consequences of owning a gun in a sparsely populated area to anyone besides your own is relatively insignificant. Actually, the consequences of me owning a gun _anywhere_ to _anyone_ is relatively insignificant. What quality makes my gun inherently more dangerous in a population center than in the woods? > [@](#): > > I think the question shouldn’t be wether or not guns are dangerous - I think both sides might actually agree on that one, as that’s both a gun’s biggest advantage and a gun’s biggest downside. This person from the other side of your fence will disagree vehemently with your characterization of guns as dangerous. Just like any other properly designed and used mechanical contrivance, guns are not in and of themselves dangerous. Sure, there are dangerous uses—or rather **misuses** for these implements, but that requires deliberate human interaction with the gun. Guns are not dangerous in exactly the same fashion your car parked in your garage is not dangerous. Someone has to misuse the thing before danger can ensue. > [@](#): > > People fear guns for what they do know about them, not for what they don’t know them. Hunting accidents, passion shootings, crime, etc. I’m not sure I can accept this statement given that you quite apparently aren’t aware that guns aren’t dangerous. It shows that you lack a very basic bit of knowledge about firearms. Futher, hunting accidents, passion crimes and violent crime can all take place without a gun. It’s not the gun that causes any of those; they are all human-caused activities. > [@](#): > > Here, we think you shouldn’t have a gun, unless you have a very good reason to do so. Over there, it’s the other way around. That works for some areas, but in others its simply too dangerous. In what areas is too dangerous to permit people to own guns “unless they have a very good reason?” And why? How do you determine what is a “good reason” to permit an individual to own a gun? ---
**Author:** ![finn007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90db22/32.png) [@finn007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/finn007)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/534 "2005-04-13T21:02:02Z")
[QUOTE=SteveG1] Are you just here to stir up more crap than we already did for ourselves? No no way do i delight in seeing any young man loose his life in a futile war…believe that or not. It isn’t the Yanks who delight in bombing school buses full of kids. NOR do we and have never done so but as that fuckin usless meaning word collaterial damage…It isn’t Yanks who instigate full scale battles in the streets. It isn’t Yanks who have a world famous terror organization calling the shots. What did you expect us to do in 1968 just line ourselves up and be murdered…You don’t believe in state terrorism…i assure you there is…Battles in the streets,why would YANKS need to do this when as the most powerful and dangerous nation on the globe…you could wipe this planet out many many times over…remind yourselves of VIETNAM. S.AMERICA, CAMBODIA the killing fields IRAQ…and whats next…and you can’t isolate yourslves because your political foreign affairs affect the world and no nation with guts can stand by and give you carte blanche ---
**Author:** ![finn007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90db22/32.png) [@finn007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/finn007)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/535 "2005-04-13T21:23:25Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] All the laws in the world won’t stop them. quote weirddave However I did enjoy your diatribe against America. Please, do you have anything else to “educate” me about since The degree of delusion is fascinating this is the most appalling part …my delusion and the worlds…you are never wrong indeed GOD BLESS AMERICA and i say that with honesty…you belive it or not is of no importance for weirddave like me your merely a pawn…and we are swimming with sharks .As for your last paragraph…Good luck, you’ve been trying since 1920. What’s your plan, gonna kill all the Prods in the name of Irish unity? I think you should, after all, those bastards aren’t REALLY Irish like you are, right? :rolleyes NO for the PRODS in 1798 after leading your fight for independance tried in IRELAND and failed…yes i’m a republician of the TONE tradition a protestant…to unite catholc , protestant and dissenter under the common name of IRISHMAN…I wish no blood but will if needs be…the croppy will never lay down again in IRELAND… ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/536 "2005-04-13T21:32:15Z")
Psst–a little fancy book larnin’ from one Paddy to another: when you’re quoting people, you need to close the open quote command with a [/QUOTE] tag at the end of the quote. Believe me, you need all the help with legibility you can get. And WTF is a croppy? We’re talking guns here! ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/537 "2005-04-13T22:57:02Z")
This thread motivated me to go out and add a second AR-15 to my collection this afternoon. Every time I shoot it, I shall mentally tip my hat to the antis in this thread whose shrill ravings prompted its purchase. I thank you, the gunshop owner thanks you, and Bushmaster thanks you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/538 "2005-04-13T22:57:47Z")
[QUOTE=finn007] > [@SteveG1](#): > > …collaterial damage… What did you expect us to do in 1968 just line ourselves up and be murdered…remind yourselves of VIETNAM. S.AMERICA, CAMBODIA the killing fields IRAQ…and whats next…and you can’t isolate yourslves because your political foreign affairs affect the world and no nation with guts can stand by and give you carte blanche Blah, blah, blah, and blah. So what do youre problems have to do with anything in this thread, except as a way to vent? One of the reasons why we have always had a “gun culture” here, is precisely to oppose (kill the shit out of) anyone who might try to come here and take over. Maybe if Ireland had been more like us brutish, vicious, baby eating, ignorant, redneck Yanks, you might have whatever freedom you think you want. Or at least, it woulnd’t have been such a “walk in the park” for whoever the heck it is that you’re being oppressed by. But then, we Yanks did it openly. We didn’t wear masks or disguises when we kicked out the Brits (twice - 1776 and 1812), and we didn’t bomb our own friends and neighbors to do it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/539 "2005-04-13T23:32:44Z")
> [@finn007](#): > > Afraid of guns…they that do live in fear…i would bet you friend ENIPLA that not only have I seen but used more guns in a month than you have had hot dinners in your life time…I lived through over 25 years of urban gurrelia warfare…i have seen friends and enemies torn apart with bullets and you with your little toys know about guns…go give my feckin head peace…you not only know fear but you know nothing of courage in the face of fear… Finn, At first I was not going to respond to this. It seemed that all you wanted to do is intimidate, and brag. The jury is still out on that for me. Now, after reading it a number of times, it seems that you are anti-gun? But you say you are very experienced with guns. As you claim to know more about different guns than dinners I have had. Are you familiar with guns by necessity? Anyway, you’re new here. Think a bit before you write and you will in turn get better responses. And. Don’t call me ‘Friend’ and try to insult me. I do know more about guns than the majority of anti-gun folks in the US. Call them toys if you want, I don’t treat them that way, nor does the majority of gun owners in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2005, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298/540 "2005-04-13T23:56:17Z")
> [@finn007](#): > > > [@Weirddave](#): > > > > However I did enjoy your diatribe against America. Please, do you have anything else to “educate” me about since The degree of delusion is fascinating > > this is the most appalling part …my delusion and the worlds…you are never wrong indeed GOD BLESS AMERICA and i say that with honesty…you belive it or not is of no importance for weirddave like me your merely a pawn…and we are swimming with sharks Nice complete strawman. FTR, I guarantee that I know more about American history, warts and all, than you do. Nowhere have I said that America is never wrong, but if you want to put a Marxist spin on things, go ahead, it doesn’t mean anyone’s going to listen to you yammer on OR that there’s any validity to your position. > [@finn007](#): > > yes i’m a republician Marxism it is. > [@finn007](#): > > of the TONE tradition Gonna kill yourself so they can’t execute you, huh? That outta show 'em. > [@finn007](#): > > to unite catholc , protestant and dissenter under the common name of IRISHMAN By force? > [@finn007](#): > > …I wish no blood but will if needs be… Force it is. > [@finn007](#): > > …the croppy will never lay down again in IRELAND… Got me here, I don’t speak the dialect. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-the-guns/292298.md?page=28)