# What's with those people who can sing in male or female voices equally well? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 5, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396 "2009-03-05T15:44:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/1 "2009-03-05T15:44:51Z")
I’ve seen it occasionally, on talent shows. I remember there was this Indian…person who could sing equally well in a male voice or a female voice, and their schtick was that they would never tell if they were a man or a woman, leaving it to the audience to guess. I’m sure there was no trickery involved, and I’ve seen it elsewhere too. How can they do this? They literally switch in mid-song to the other “voice”. It’s fascinating to watch or listen to. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/2 "2009-03-05T15:58:20Z")
What do you mean by male and female voice? Are you talking about falsetto? ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/3 "2009-03-05T16:03:51Z")
I suspect “equally well” may be like the riddle: What has four legs and a tail, eats oats, and sees _ **equally well** _ out of either end? ---
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/4 "2009-03-05T16:09:50Z")
[An example](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc). Nick Pitera singing both parts of “A Whole New World”. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/5 "2009-03-05T16:12:58Z")
Are you thinking of a counter-tenor? The modern replacement for the castrato. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/6 "2009-03-05T16:14:08Z")
> [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](#): > > [An example](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc). Nick Pitera singing both parts of “A Whole New World”. Videos run terribly over Citrix - choppy and slow and grainy - but from what i can tell, that is exactly what I mean. Not a falsetto which is just imitation, right? But truly switching back and forth, so if you listened and didn’t watch, you’d never know. ---
**Author:** ![Figaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Figaro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Figaro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/7 "2009-03-05T16:17:58Z")
Countertenors (men who sing in the alto, and occasionally soprano, ranges) sing using a reinforced and specially trained falsetto tone. Most men sound terrible…hooty, shrill, or just comical…when they try it, but people with a genuine talent for it can often sound convingly like women. Because it is falsetto that they rely on, though, countertenors also have access to natural, more traditionally “male” vocal registers. Bass and baritone most often, but also sometimes tenor. Take [David Daniels](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa1e49KLXNU), for example. He was a tenor, and from all reports not a great one, all through his grad school days. He then switched to countertenor and won the prestigious Richard Tucker award a few short years later. ETA: the point of my post, in case it wasn’t clear, is that any man who can sing convincingly in the female register, with a “womanly” sound, will also by default also be able to sing more traditionally male parts. ---
**Author:** ![Figaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Figaro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Figaro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/8 "2009-03-05T16:37:51Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > {snip}Not a falsetto which is just imitation, right? But truly switching back and forth, so if you listened and didn’t watch, you’d never know. It’s definitely falsetto. He’s simply better at it than most guys would be, so it doesn’t sound as obvious. To a trained ear, though, it’s clearly not a female voice. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/9 "2009-03-05T16:43:23Z")
Ok. My ear is not trained, and to be honest, I am not that familiar with the terminology. What training I have had in music has all been in Hindi. I looked up the Wiki entry on falsetto. I don’t find it easy to understand at all: > [@](#): > > The term falsetto (Italian diminutive of falso, false) refers to the vocal register occupying the frequency range just above the modal voice register and overlapping with it by approximately one octave. It is produced by the vibration of the ligamentous edges of the vocal cords, in whole or in part. Though frequently used in reference to a particular type of vocal production in singing, falsetto vocal production also occurs within speech and is one of the four main vocal registers identified within speech pathology. The characteristic sound of falsetto is inherently breathy and flute-like, with few overtones present. The falsetto voice is more limited in dynamic variation and tone quality than the modal voice in both speaking and singing. Both men and women can phonate in the falsetto register.[1] The term falsetto is most often used in the context of singing to refer to a type of vocal phonation that enables the singer to sing notes beyond the vocal range of the normal or modal voice. Wha…I mean my eyes started to glaze over somewhere around “modal voice register”. Can anyone explain that in simple terms? I see it has something to do with a certain vibration of the vocal cords. So basically, everyone can do falsetto, but some people can do it better? Do they practice, or is it a natural skill? ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/10 "2009-03-05T16:58:03Z")
Mickey Mouse is a falsetto voice, if an example would help. ---
**Author:** ![Figaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Figaro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Figaro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/11 "2009-03-05T17:06:34Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Wha…I mean my eyes started to glaze over somewhere around “modal voice register”. Can anyone explain that in simple terms? I see it has something to do with a certain vibration of the vocal cords. So basically, everyone can do falsetto, but some people can do it better? Do they practice, or is it a natural skill? :eek: That isn’t exactly layman’s language, is it! The word “modal” in that article basically means “characteristic” or “usual.” What you think of as your normal, energized speaking or singing voice is your modal voice. That basic gist of the article (and as far as I remember from my vocal anatomy books, none of which I have in front of me at the moment, it’s basically correct) is that the different sound quality and higher range of the falsetto voice are a result in a change in the way a person’s vocal cords vibrate. Your vocal cords are tiny muscles that are strung between bits of cartilage in your larynx. Think of them as little ligaments wrapped in muscle. When you breathe in, they open and allow air to pass freely between them. When you speak or sing, they come together and form a barrier that vibrates in response to airflow from your lungs. It’s exactly what happens when you take a blade of grass, hold it between your hands, and blow to make a goofy trumpet noise. In your normal voice, the entire vocal cord…the muscle itself and the small ligament along the edge…vibrates in order to create sound. In falsetto, the involvement of the muscle subsides and just the ligament running along the very edge of the vocal cord vibrates. Everything else remains passive. That difference is what creates such a radical change of range and tone color. It’s true that everyone with normal vocal anatomy can produce a falsetto sound, but not everyone finds it easily. It involves coordination, just like throwing a ball accurately, but on a much smaller muscular scale. Men access it much more easily than women do. Mariah Carey’s super-high-pitch acrobatics on her early albums are a good example of female falsetto. It’s sometimes called “whistle tone.” As far as the “Practice vs. Natural skill” question goes, it’s both, IMO. But it definitely takes a lot of practice to get good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/12 "2009-03-05T17:28:06Z")
> [@Figaro](#): > > :eek: That isn’t exactly layman’s language, is it! I am so grateful you said that. I felt so stupid reading it, and I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I’m not exactly dumb, either! I thank you for your explanation. So basically, it probably starts with a genetic component - the vocal cords are more flexible, or vibrate more to start with, and then people discover this talent, and train it further. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/13 "2009-03-05T17:42:14Z")
It also works the other way around (female singers imitating male ones), although less well, and it’s less often done. For instance, I’m a female with an alto/mezzo-soprano voice range, but when I sing low notes in what’s called “chest voice”, I can sound a lot like a male baritone or tenor. Alas, the standard female larynx just doesn’t have access to as much range in the lower register as the male larynx does in the upper register. This is because the vocal folds (or “cords”) work ( **very** approximately) like other vibrating strings, with the pitch of the note depending on the length of the part that’s vibrating. And female vocal folds are on average shorter than male ones. You can sing so as to make the vibrating part of the vocal cord shorter (producing a high note), but there’s just no way to make the cord itself longer. ☹ At least, if there were, I’m sure I’d have gotten some email spam about it by now. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/14 "2009-03-05T18:21:18Z")
If you want to know what falsetto sounds like, picture a man imitating a woman – badly. Watch some Monty Python if you must. Maybe someone with sound can link to a MP clip as an example. The “Hello Mrs. Smoker”, “Hello Mrs. Nonsmoker” skit is probably a good one. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/15 "2009-03-05T19:07:23Z")
[Klaus Nomi](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuSrsGzhD9U&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/16 "2009-03-06T00:48:53Z")
And by the way, the term “vocal cords” isn’t as accurate as “vocal folds.” ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/17 "2009-03-06T01:22:06Z")
If you want good falsetto you can go to Barry Gibb or Brian Wilson. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/18 "2009-03-06T04:11:11Z")
Happy Rhodes has a 4 octave range (A2 to G-Sharp6). Here are [two](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVVkbUwprc) [examples](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Zzt3PEwuM). The second one, a cover of David Bowie’s “Space Oddity”, had so many posters asking “is that a man or a woman” that I had to use YouTube’s annotations feature to point out the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Peanuthead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peanuthead/32/360_2.png) [@Peanuthead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanuthead)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/19 "2009-03-06T06:24:03Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If you want good falsetto you can go to Barry Gibb or Brian Wilson. Or _ **The Stylistics** _. Or any number of Do-Wop groups from the '50s. _Weeeooo!_ ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Dubinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@Alex\_Dubinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_Dubinsky)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396/20 "2009-03-06T06:44:01Z")
> [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](#): > > [An example](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-CS2v8wcc). Nick Pitera singing both parts of “A Whole New World”. Sounds to me that it’s more like his male voice is the ‘falsetto’. People have a lot more control over their voice than they realize, and it depends a lot on the alignment of the neck and shoulders. You can see the guy’s clavicles rise (female) and lower (male) as he switches from voice to voice. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-with-those-people-who-can-sing-in-male-or-female-voices-equally-well/488396.md?page=2)