# What's wrong with electric cigarettes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 12, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-electric-cigarettes/599443 "2011-10-12T18:17:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-electric-cigarettes/599443/41 "2011-10-18T22:39:17Z")
These are the sites I ordered my stuff from, although there are a kajillion places to get it. [VG (vegetable glycerin) with nicotine 36 mg/mL](http://shop.GOODPROPHETS.COM/product.sc?productId=304): $21.99/240mL or $0.09/mL [Propylene Glycol (plain)](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005F5KYM4): 8.95/240 mL or $0.037/mL [Various flavorings](http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-154-chocolate-vanilla-flavors.aspx), the ones that I use often are 30 mL bottles, but smaller ones are more expensive per mL: $6/30mL (average, range is $5-7) or $0.20/mL A typical batch for me (12 mg/mL) of, say 10 mL is: 3.3 mL VG/nicotine: $0.30 4.7 mL PG: $0.17 2 mL flavoring (average): $0.40 for a total cost of 8.7 cents per mL of juice. I also buy [cartomizers](http://www.crystalclearvaping.com/Cartomizers-510-only_c_7.html), the ones I buy are under $8 for 5, and I’ll get several days to a week out of one. I wash them, and most of the time they are reusable again. You just fill them with juice and go, the atomizer’s built in. This, of course, is bare minimum. I’m a sucker for gadgets and tinkering, so I have to really control myself there. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-electric-cigarettes/599443/42 "2011-10-19T01:05:51Z")
> [@chaoticbear](#): > > This, of course, is bare minimum. I’m a sucker for gadgets and tinkering, so I have to really control myself there. Cool. So you buy “510” batteries somewhere? That is my largest expense. The Safe Cig batteries wear out quickly. ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-electric-cigarettes/599443/43 "2011-10-19T02:27:28Z")
I’m at work, and my computer is being goofy for some reason and not loading the page, but I bought my Riva 510 from [www.liberty-flights.com](http://www.liberty-flights.com), two batteries, two atomizers (unused still) and a charger for $30. It’s bigger than a cigarette, but the battery lasts much longer. (coupon code, I think, was “ecf”) I also have a Joye 510 from [here](http://www.evcigarettes.com/categories/Starter-Kits/Joye-510-Starter-Kits/), (coupon code ecf15%) it’s smaller, but doesn’t last as long. I don’t use it very often, both due to the smaller battery, and because I can’t use the lower-resistance cartomizers on it (it’ll drain the battery uselessly quickly). Anything that says “510” is interchangable with anything else. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-electric-cigarettes/599443/44 "2011-10-19T02:49:03Z")
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