# What's wrong with saying "All lives matter"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2015, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366 "2015-08-09T04:56:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/261 "2015-08-12T22:46:02Z")
So if the cops believe you have a gun, they should charge up and shoot you before you get a chance to use it? Does this apply only to black people, or should they shoot white guys with a gun as well? Having a gun doesn’t make you an immanent deadly threat that must be neutralized without warning–if you’re white. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/262 "2015-08-13T12:48:00Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > So if the cops believe you have a gun, they should charge up and shoot you before you get a chance to use it? If the cops believe you have a gun, and you suddenly reach for it, yes. > [@](#): > > Does this apply only to black people, or should they shoot white guys with a gun as well? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Having a gun doesn’t make you an immanent deadly threat that must be neutralized without warning–if you’re white. OK, then please cite the studies where it was found that when the police were told you have a gun, you reach for it suddenly when they confront you, the police didn’t shoot if you were white, but did if you were black. Real data, not anecdotes or cherry-picking. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/263 "2015-08-13T13:26:45Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > And if there’s no data about this stuff, then we’re all just guessing, and we have to resort back to the eye test. That’s why we need to, as soon as possible, expand uniform crime reporting to cover all shootings by police officers. Presently, this data is provided to the FBI on a [voluntary and woefully incomplete basis](http://time.com/3854824/police-killed-on-duty-stats/). Ideally, use of body cameras would also be mandatory, so as to evaluate the accuracy of police reporting. We need this sort of data to draw meaningful conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/264 "2015-08-13T13:59:36Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > That’s why we need to, as soon as possible, expand uniform crime reporting to cover all shootings by police officers. I would agree with this. I also support the idea of video cameras. [Even though it doesn’t always work out the way the diversity folks think it will.](http://jonathanturley.org/2015/08/04/connecticut-professor-arrested-for-filing-an-alleged-false-report-of-profiling-by-police/) Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/265 "2015-08-13T14:20:49Z")
“…the diversity folks…”? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/266 "2015-08-13T15:34:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “…the diversity folks…”? Seriously? what is so bad about **Shodan** identifying himself as opposed to diversity? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/267 "2015-08-13T15:35:11Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > what is so bad about **Shodan** identifying himself as opposed to diversity? So he’s “university”? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/268 "2015-08-13T15:46:58Z")
Mostly I’m just wondering if I already am a “diversity folk” or if I have neglected to be something else he despises. Can’t have that. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/269 "2015-08-13T15:56:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Mostly I’m just wondering if I already am a “diversity folk” or if I have neglected to be something else he despises. Can’t have that. Diversity folk refers to when Dylan went electric in 1965. If you were OK with it then that’s you. Apparently he was one of the booers. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366/270 "2015-08-13T16:05:20Z")
It’s also funny that he thinks people will be troubled by the undoing of a woman filing a false report. Can we similarly suppose that he is disappointed that body cams were the undoing of the U of Cincinnati cop who killed the unarmed diversity folk for driving without a plate? In my book, the two incidents are both examples of cams leading to justice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-saying-all-lives-matter/727366.md?page=13)