# What's your opinion on "Darling Lili", an old American movie? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [December 12, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403 "2022-12-12T17:37:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/61 "2022-12-12T20:01:29Z")
Doing a Google search of it, there doesn’t seem to be that much of a ballyhoo. As far as Russian films conquering American filmgoers is concerned, dream on. Compare the popularity of American films seen in Russia to the popularity of Russian films seen in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Roman67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roman67/32/12809_2.png) [@Roman67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roman67)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/62 "2022-12-12T20:04:51Z")
There’s no use in proving this fact, for Eisenstein is widely regarded as the most outstanding director in history. After all, Orson Wells copied some Soviet features, making his masterpiece. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/63 "2022-12-12T20:04:56Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Show us even one quote, from an American source, that indicates that the U.S. film studios **ever** regarded the Soviet film industry as “their main rival.” The Soviets actually had a film industry? [**Totally unbeknownst to me, they did!**](https://www.humanities.ox.ac.uk/article/how-film-flourished-ussr) > Lenfilm, a film studio based in Leningrad, was the second-largest production company in the Soviet Union, after Mosfilm, the Moscow studio. At its height in the 1960s and early 1970s, when a cluster of young filmmakers began making adventurous new movies, it produced up to fifty films a year. These ranged from _The Amphibian Man_ (1962), a science fiction movie about a man with shark gills, to _A Boy and a Girl_ (1966), a film about two young people’s holiday relationship that was banned immediately after its release. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/64 "2022-12-12T20:05:02Z")
What is the topic here? The idea that there was some sort of rivalry between Russian and Hollywood cinema is silly, especially one in which Russia ‘wins’. ---
**Author:** ![Roman67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roman67/32/12809_2.png) [@Roman67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roman67)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/65 "2022-12-12T20:05:50Z")
However, the artistic value of modern American movies is much lower than that of Russian ones. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/66 "2022-12-12T20:06:21Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The idea that there was some sort of rivalry between Russian and Hollywood cinema is silly, especially one in which Russia ‘wins’. It’s like those old Ensign Chekov lines about Russian inventors and such. “Oh, yes, Shakespeare, famous Russian writer.” ---
**Author:** ![Roman67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roman67/32/12809_2.png) [@Roman67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roman67)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/67 "2022-12-12T20:06:42Z")
You seem to have very wide gaps in your knowledge of American history ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/68 "2022-12-12T20:07:06Z")
I agree. To actually challenge the U.S. film industry, the Soviets would have had to establish a strong foothold internationally, and they simply didn’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/69 "2022-12-12T20:07:17Z")
That is your opinion. BTW, what is your opinion of the movie “Darling Lili”, besides the fact that you liked Julie Andrews in other movies? ---
**Author:** ![Roman67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roman67/32/12809_2.png) [@Roman67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roman67)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/70 "2022-12-12T20:08:33Z")
Russian TV series definitely battle past their American peers, even though the degradation of Russian cinema is something obvious. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/71 "2022-12-12T20:09:55Z")
What does this mean? > [@Roman67](#): > > Russian TV series definitely battle past their American peers, Do you mean that Russian TV shows are more popular than American TV shows? Or, more artistic? Or, what? ---
**Author:** ![Roman67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roman67/32/12809_2.png) [@Roman67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roman67)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/72 "2022-12-12T20:10:45Z")
Operator doesn’t work perfectly. And I have noticed that there’s something rhotic in the word ‘star’ in Andrews’ speech. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/73 "2022-12-12T20:11:10Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > To actually challenge the U.S. film industry, the Soviets would have had to establish a strong foothold internationally, and they simply didn’t do it. The distribution channels extant in the 1920s-1940s were so poor that _British_ films had a challenge finding wide American success. The idea that the films of a country with a non-capitalist economic system performed in a language with no commonalities to the English tongue would do better in the US because ‘reasons’ shows a deep, deep, ignorance of how the film industry actually developed. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/74 "2022-12-12T20:11:37Z")
I had bit parts in some of those when I lived in Russia. I usually ended up being embarrassed for having participated. (The money was good though! 🤗 ) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/75 "2022-12-12T20:12:34Z")
> [@Roman67](#): > > Russian TV series definitely battle past their American peers, even though the degradation of Russian cinema is something obvious. Adjective noun adverb verb conjunction preposition adjective noun back at ya! ---
**Author:** ![Roman67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roman67/32/12809_2.png) [@Roman67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roman67)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/76 "2022-12-12T20:13:33Z")
I don’t understand why American TV series are more popular, because their artistic value is certain to be much lower that that of Russian TV series. It would appear that bots have been watching them, therefore they’re likely to be so “popular” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/77 "2022-12-12T20:13:56Z")
So you didn’t like the movie? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/78 "2022-12-12T20:14:35Z")
He’s obviously never watched _ **Happy Together** _ (the Russian version of _ **Married … with Children** _). 🤮 ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/79 "2022-12-12T20:15:56Z")
This can’t be! I’m assured that the artistic merit of Russian TV is, practically without exception, better than US TV. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403/80 "2022-12-12T20:17:59Z")
It opens with a Tchaikovsky melody, so _there!_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-your-opinion-on-darling-lili-an-old-american-movie/976403.md?page=5)