# When and why did we stop celebrating mass murder and conquest?

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [November 9, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-and-why-did-we-stop-celebrating-mass-murder-and-conquest/704114 "2014-11-09T02:03:51Z")\
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**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\
**Post date:** [November 11, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-and-why-did-we-stop-celebrating-mass-murder-and-conquest/704114/41 "2014-11-11T14:52:55Z")

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Vlad the Impaler is still lauded in Roumania & probably even some parts outside for holding back the Turks. Most everyone else considers him an excessively cruel monster even in a day not known for kind & gentle rulers.

Elizabeth Bathory & Gilles de Rais, however, killed only for pleasure. They have no large fan clubs.  
(I know there are revisionists who insist their crimes were exagerrated or even that they were falsely accused.  
The former may be somewhat true, but I seriously doubt the latter.)

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**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\
**Post date:** [November 11, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-and-why-did-we-stop-celebrating-mass-murder-and-conquest/704114/42 "2014-11-11T23:33:40Z")

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I think it was probably when media realism showed the non-combatant classes what war was really all about.

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