# When Czarcasm Becomes Invective **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2001, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345 "2001-04-25T22:16:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/21 "2001-04-26T02:05:07Z")
**Hastur** , I’m in Eastern Washington. If you’re interested in dispelling some ignorance about your practice of Wicca and would like me to provide Czar, et alia, with an unbiased report, please feel free to let me know. I’m happy to run over there for a day or two. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/22 "2001-04-26T02:12:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\* > **Hastur** , I’m in Eastern Washington. If you’re interested in dispelling some ignorance about your practice of Wicca and would like me to provide Czar, et alia, with an unbiased report, please feel free to let me know. I’m happy to run over there for a day or two. \*\* As has been said in many threads about this, in and out of the pit, I am not wiccan. I am, however, very pagan. There is a difference. Wiccans often worship a singular male and female deity set. They treat the male aspect as if he is every male solar deity ever existing and the female as if she is every lunar deity. I’m a polytheistic panentheistic pantheist. ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/23 "2001-04-26T02:26:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > **I remember my first encounter with you, back when you were Slythe.** You’ve been here since November, 1999. That’s a long time to be carrying a grudge. You must be getting tired. Maybe that’s why you seem so cranky lately? > [@](#): > > **They were, after all, attacking Jesus. Not the Jesus who was the topic, but the Jesus Who is my God.** If Jesus is God, He should be able to defend Himself more than adequately. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/24 "2001-04-26T02:30:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah, Czarcasm, what the hell were you thinking when you asked somebody to defend their religious beliefs in a GD thread about religious beliefs? Sheesh. Next thing you know, we’ll have people arguing about politics in there! Well, I hate to harp on this since **czarzasm** has already apologized in the thread in question, but I feel the need to point out that the OP of that thread specifically stated: _This thread is for answering questions about Neo-Paganism and all the faiths that come under that heading (Wicca, Asatru, Celtic Reconstructionism, etc). I don’t want this to turn into a thread where I defend my faith. I hold my beliefs as sincerely and deeply as you hold you._ Attacks upon pagan beliefs in such a thread are as out of place as diatribes against sodomy in an _Ask teh Gay guy_ thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/25 "2001-04-26T02:32:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spiritus Mundi \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Yeah, Czarcasm, what the hell were you thinking when you asked somebody to defend their religious beliefs in a GD thread about religious beliefs? Sheesh. Next thing you know, we’ll have people arguing about politics in there! > > Well, I hate to harp on this since **czarzasm** has already apologized in the thread in question, but I feel the need to point out that the OP of that thread specifically stated: _This thread is for answering questions about Neo-Paganism and all the faiths that come under that heading (Wicca, Asatru, Celtic Reconstructionism, etc). I don’t want this to turn into a thread where I defend my faith. I hold my beliefs as sincerely and deeply as you hold you._ > > Attacks upon pagan beliefs in such a thread are as out of place as diatribes against sodomy in an _Ask teh Gay guy_ thread. \*\* _applause_ That’s the wisest thing I have seen written in this thread thus far. Bravo. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/26 "2001-04-26T02:44:50Z")
Bullshit. The forum is called Great Debates for a reason. There’s no way one should even think about posting there if one are not willing to debate the beliefs and positions one espouses. **Czarcasm** may have hijacked the thread, but that’s hardly a mortal sin. If you want a soapbox from which you may justifiably claim immunity from intellectual challenge, move your ass over to IMHO. [Change made as requested, but it still looks kind of strange 🙂 -Czarcasm the Literate] [Edited by Czarcasm on 04-25-2001 at 10:02 PM] ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/27 "2001-04-26T02:46:21Z")
So much for sounding all third person and stuff. Kindly redact the “you” in the second sentence and substitute another “one.” ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/28 "2001-04-26T03:01:56Z")
And I should add that, having availed himself of the opportunity, **Hastur** is now defending his beliefs quite reasonably over in GD. I eagerly await the results of the proposed experiment, although I would add that any experiment must be capable of repetition for the data to be reasonably validated. Personally, I’ve got an ugly credit card bill from my recent trip to New Orleans, and it’s coming due in 12 days. If you want to give that prosperity spell a second shot when you’re done with **Czarcasm** , I’ll be happy to report on its efficacy. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/29 "2001-04-26T03:21:01Z")
Jeez, **Czarcasm** , couldn’t you be bothered to fix the resulting subject-verb agreement problem while you were up there? Or was that retribution for how I gave you that accidental pronoun change over in the other Pit thread? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/30 "2001-04-26T03:31:57Z")
I wouldn’t sabotage a post of yours just because you indulged in a bit of wishful thinking. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/31 "2001-04-26T03:36:05Z")
BTW, you spelled my name wrong in your biography. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/32 "2001-04-26T03:37:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Bullshit. The forum is called Great Debates for a reason. There’s no way one should even think about posting there if one are not willing to debate the beliefs and positions one espouses. Well, let us just say that I place more emphasis on respecting the clearly expressed intent of my conversational partners than you. The OP in question was designed to encourage a particular mode of discourse, one which has been seen many times before in _Great Debates_. It was not designed to open a debate about the validity of a particular religious belief. If one felt a great desire to initiate such a discussion, one might have opened a new thread and posted a link inviting participation therein. That is one alternative to hijacking a thread with an attack tangential to the OP. I enjoy a spirited debate. I relish a critical examination of ideas. But I also value civil exchange, which requires (among other things) a certain respect for what the other person wants from the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/33 "2001-04-26T06:33:17Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m a polytheistic panentheistic pantheist. I’m a fundamentalistically-challenged pre-Hinduistic neo-pagan with atheistic tendancies coupled with a belief in cultist scientology. HA! Beat that! ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/34 "2001-04-26T11:09:13Z")
I’m a little teapot, short and stout. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/35 "2001-04-26T12:35:30Z")
I’m a Ronald Reagan Carl Sagan San Diagan Pagan. ---
**Author:** ![Hokienautic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/73ab20/32.png) [@Hokienautic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hokienautic)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/36 "2001-04-26T13:16:14Z")
[obscure pop culture reference]Well my old man’s a cotton pickin finger lickin chicken plucker. Whattya think about THAT?[/obscure pop culture reference] ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/37 "2001-04-26T13:34:03Z")
Re the Jesus Thread: Dang, Lib, I am filled with sadness. ☹☹ I’ve been _avoiding_ the “Have you found Jesus?” thread because I assumed that it was yet another “post here if you’re Christian/oh, yeah, all you Christians are so stupid” thread. So, two things that pop out at me. 1. I would guess that a large part of the hijack is due to people’s resentment at the “teaser” thread title, and the confusing OP. They open it, expecting to either “honk if you love Jesus” or to tell somebody with a Jesus bumper sticker how stupid it is, and instead it’s about Survivor. No, wait, it’s not about Survivor, it’s about some gonzo Internet rumor. And it’s not about “your opinion of the guy who’s leaking it”, it’s about “your opinion of whether or not you’d want to know who was going to win”. I mean, huh? Also. 1. It’s not really the mod’s job to keep a thread on topic. Threads get hijacked all the time, and the only time I can think of that a mod comes in and says “hey” is when something in GQ gets out of hand and Manny growls, “Don’t make me come over there”. Especially threads in the “lighter” forums, like MPSIMS and IMHO, tend to sometimes end up drifting sideways, and the thing is, nobody really cares, you know? If you really wanted to poll people on whether they’d want to know how Survivor comes out, you should’ve posted a thread title like that, so they’d know what they were in for. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/38 "2001-04-26T15:42:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > **Lib, I (for the most part) respect your posts and your take on things…I haven’t read the related pit thread, so at this point I have no comment regarding that portion of your post.** Well, I just waded through that shitstorm of a thread and I guess I should clarify. Lib, I respect your posts and your take on _political issues_. I think that I am more in the jab1/obfusciatrist/Yue Han camp over in that discussion. I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint in the “Magic” pit thread. Really, I don’t even know that this post is necessary, but I don’t want to give the wrong impression about what I am agreeing / disagreeing with. ---
**Author:** ![Kamandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@Kamandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamandi)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/39 "2001-04-26T17:41:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hastur \* > **I recinded my offer not because you can get here easily, but because not only did you make fun of me(and the very acceptable spelling of magic(k)) in the post where you accepted, but you had been insulting me throughout the thread. Why would I want someone in my home who was going to be a jerk and come with a closed mind?** Why **wouldn’t** you want to make somebody like **Czarcasm** eat crow? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hastur \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > > \*\* > > **Hastur** , I’m in Eastern Washington. If you’re interested in dispelling some ignorance about your practice of Wicca and would like me to provide Czar, et alia, with an unbiased report, please feel free to let me know. I’m happy to run over there for a day or two. \*\* > > As has been said in many threads about this, in and out of the pit, I am not wiccan. I am, however, very pagan. There is a difference. Wiccans often worship a singular male and female deity set. They treat the male aspect as if he is every male solar deity ever existing and the female as if she is every lunar deity. I’m a polytheistic panentheistic pantheist. \*\* You’ve also conveniently ignored **andors** ’ offer, even as you quoted it. I live in Seattle, and am also willing to drop down to Oregon and witness a magic show. If you don’t want and Doubting Thomases in your house, we could meet elsewhere. Perhaps under an old oak tree. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2001, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345/40 "2001-04-26T20:15:31Z")
Well, as long as we’re bitching about hijacking threads, Libertarian, I resent your hijacking the “majick” thread with your harping about arrogant scientists. For someone who is advocating open-mindedness, you came across as a bigoted anti-intellectual who was totally immune to the forces of reason. You want to be treated right on the Straight Dope, try to learn the difference between ranting and rational debate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-czarcasm-becomes-invective/63345.md?page=3)