# When did Hannibal Lector become someone the audience cheers for? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 17, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221 "2015-05-17T04:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/61 "2015-05-24T06:50:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Sure. I’ll go back to mocking Etruscans. I think that it’s too late to try to redeem yourself with this. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/62 "2015-05-24T07:06:31Z")
> [@grude](#): > > The book Hannibal is worse than the movie, Clairice not only eat still living boss’s brains out of his skull with Hannibal she voluntarily joins him in his life of murder and cannibalism. > > The end is someone spotting and recognizing the affectionate couple years later in Europe.:rolleyes: > > Like I said the book seems to be a sarcastic “take that” to fans of Lecter. Are you kidding?? The movie sucked dogs. The book was good; the ending wasn’t ‘someone…Europe.’ It was Barney recognizing them in Rio de Janeiro. Or, Buenos Aires, I can’t remember. At any rate, that was a denouement of the relationship of the three of them, and of Lecter and Clarice, which extended through 2 movies and 2 books. Lecter was an ally of Starling, and, as such, cannot easily be discounted as being in the good guy camp. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/63 "2015-05-24T08:56:01Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > I think that it’s too late to try to redeem yourself with this. I’m not trying to redeem my set. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/64 "2015-05-24T10:11:53Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m serious about not mocking the Welsh any more. I was never serious about holding them in contempt. > But this has naught to do with Hannibal Lecter and why he’s a monster deserving nothing but contempt from the reader, so if you want to continue the discussion, PM me. No; I’m afraid that’s not how it works: you make your slurs in public - and please, please, don’t try the inevitable tired “but I was just joking, ha ha” line - you get called on them in public, hijack be damned. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/65 "2015-05-24T11:56:55Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > No; I’m afraid that’s not how it works: you make your slurs in public - and please, please, don’t try the inevitable tired “but I was just joking, ha ha” line - you get called on them in public, hijack be damned. You called me out. I agreed to stop doing it. I’m not gonna hijack this thread further. Pit me if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/66 "2015-05-24T12:32:58Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > No; I’m afraid that’s not how it works: you make your slurs in public - and please, please, don’t try the inevitable tired “but I was just joking, ha ha” line - you get called on them in public, hijack be damned. You called me out. I agreed to stop doing it. I’m not gonna hijack this thread further. Pit me if you want. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/67 "2015-05-24T13:15:29Z")
Let’s stop the hijack on Skald’s insults and attitude. He has already agreed to stop those particular jokes and discussing it in this thread _is_ a hijack. Take it to the Pit if you need to. Report his posts if he continues. No Warning Issued > [@Penfeather](#): > > No; I’m afraid that’s not how it works: you make your slurs in public - and please, please, don’t try the inevitable tired “but I was just joking, ha ha” line - you get called on them in public, hijack be damned. > [@handsomeharry](#): > > I think that it’s too late to try to redeem yourself with this. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/68 "2015-05-24T14:01:28Z")
It is somewhat disturbing that Anthony Hopkins said that he red a few of Lecter’s lines and had the character downpat. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/69 "2015-05-24T14:41:09Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m not trying to redeem my set. I know. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/70 "2015-05-24T14:43:06Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Let’s stop the hijack on Skald’s insults and attitude. He has already agreed to stop those particular jokes and discussing it in this thread _is_ a hijack. Take it to the Pit if you need to. Report his posts if he continues. > > No Warning Issued Mine was a joke. Didn’t you read the whole post??? Sheesh! {“With this” being the operative phrase.} ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/71 "2015-05-24T16:05:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’ll tell you why: because he’s entertaining. It’s always more fun to watch the villains in stories than it is the good guys. Thank you, Friedrich Nietzsche. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/72 "2015-05-24T16:10:31Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Mine was a joke. Didn’t you read the whole post??? Sheesh! > > {“With this” being the operative phrase.} Regardless if it was a joke or not it was being responded to as if it was not and continuing the hijack. I asked everyone to stop discussing it, which includes jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/73 "2015-05-24T16:27:03Z")
Did anyone hear read or see Hannibal Rising, incidentally? I started it but put it down quickly. I’ve always wondered what, if anything, I was missing. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/74 "2015-05-24T16:41:01Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Did anyone hear read or see Hannibal Rising, incidentally? I started it but put it down quickly. I’ve always wondered what, if anything, I was missing. I read it, and it was goofy. I don’t know if in this case Harris did it for the money or if it is a serious effort. The movies are surely unable to follow the books now, save for those that happened earlier thine. an the story l ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/75 "2015-05-24T23:19:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It is somewhat disturbing that Anthony Hopkins said that he red a few of Lecter’s lines and had the character downpat. 🙂 It’s called being an actor. 😉 > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Thank you, Friedrich Nietzsche. :mad: Pardon me? Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/76 "2015-05-25T00:19:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > It’s called being an actor. 😉 He didn’t have to read all the script, or the book. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/77 "2015-05-25T16:16:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Pardon me? Please explain. In \* Outlines of History, \* Nietzsche was quoted as saying, “It is mere petty sentiment to expect much (indeed anything at all) from mankind if it forgets how to make war.” ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/78 "2015-05-25T18:47:22Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’ll tell you why: because he’s entertaining. It’s always more fun to watch the villains in stories than it is the good guys. I’ll agree that Lecter’s entertaining, but I still don’t cheer for him. It’s like Loki in the Avengers: I’ll cheer for whomever finally stomps that fucker like a Smurf. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/79 "2015-05-26T00:32:20Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > In \* Outlines of History, \* Nietzsche was quoted as saying, “It is mere petty sentiment to expect much (indeed anything at all) from mankind if it forgets how to make war.” And that has what to do with villains in a _fictional_ setting? You’ve never heard of the phrase, “someone you love to hate?” Can you please be more specific, dude? (Anyone else know what the fuck he’s talking about?) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221/80 "2015-05-26T01:31:51Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And that has what to do with villains in a _fictional_ setting? You’ve never heard of the phrase, “someone you love to hate?” > > Can you please be more specific, dude? (Anyone else know what the fuck he’s talking about?) Pretty much what you said, there are always bad boys. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-hannibal-lector-become-someone-the-audience-cheers-for/720221.md?page=5)