# When did open hatred become fun family entertainment? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 12, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077 "2013-08-12T21:34:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gerald\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gerald\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerald_II)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/101 "2013-08-13T17:22:52Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > No matter how bad a Republican acts, as long as someone can find something even somewhat \*similar \*done by any Democrat, _ever_, it’s all okay. And you can turn it around as well. People are outraged, “look at the hate that President Obama has received!” But were they just as vocal at the treatment our previous president received? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > NO, it wasn’t this bad with Bush. Although I remember Russell Brand hosting the MTV awards and saying our then President was mentally retarded. I remember that when people had signs with Obama as Hitler it was a new level of hatred, but when Bush was portrayed as Hitler most of us didn’t complain. With Clinton though I’m sure it was just as bad. You had Jerry Falwell supporting videos that alleged Clinton had Vince Foster murdered and was running cocaine as well, Rush Limbaugh comparing Chelsea Clinton to the White House dog, then later apologized and said she can’t help the way she looks. Christopher Hitchens was calling then President Clinton a rapist. That’s just off the top of my head. The Dixie Chicks were crucified for daring to say they were ashamed to be from Bush’s state, yet batshit crazy Ted Nugent spews the most hateful lies about Obama and the right just shrugs it off with “well, the Democrats do it too.” Like fucking hell we do. [/QUOTE] Well then boycott Ted Nugents concerts and albums. What do you expect from Dixie Chicks fans who are predominantly country music fans and who tend yo be conservative. Be mad the left isn’t vocal on these things that Ted Nugent says. I agree with you though that Nugent seems to be a despicable guy. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/102 "2013-08-13T17:23:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And I’m sure your unfounded guess as to how many there are is as accurate as your guess as to the contents of your own links. For the record, the cites you gave conclude: > > 1. No > 2. Maybe > 3. Yes(but the writer is a numerology nutjob) > 4. Yes > 5. No > 6. No > 7. No > 8. Yes > 9. Yes > > I’ve seen lazier research…but it’s been a while. You know, if you are trying to get stronger wrists, masturbating is much more effective than all this hand waving. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/103 "2013-08-13T17:24:20Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Gotta say, I was in a horrible mood this morning, but your posts have made lol more than I can say thank you for. That being said, thank you. Hey, maybe we won’t agree but if I can’t make you agree at least I can make you laugh. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/104 "2013-08-13T17:25:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bush was hated for what he did, Obama is hated for who he is. I don’t know about that. Policies aside, a lot of people hated Bush because simply because he was a rich white Ivy League Republican oil billionaire who picked up the family political business. The fact is, whether it’s meant to or not, putting on a caricature mask of Obama just looks pretty freakin’ racist. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/105 "2013-08-13T17:26:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And I’m sure your unfounded guess as to how many there are is as accurate as your guess as to the contents of your own links. For the record, the cites you gave conclude: > > 1. No > 2. Maybe > 3. Yes(but the writer is a numerology nutjob) > 4. Yes > 5. No > 6. No > 7. No > 8. Yes > 9. Yes > > I’ve seen lazier research…but it’s been a while. How many are “very few”? Can you show that more think that Obama is Antichrist than thought that Bush was? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/106 "2013-08-13T17:29:09Z")
When did open hatred become fun family entertainment? The moment there were two families. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/107 "2013-08-13T17:29:13Z")
> [@](#): > > ,Can you show that more think that Obama is Antichrist than thought that Bush was? Maybe. Can you give me a reason why I should care? ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gerald\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerald_II)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/108 "2013-08-13T17:30:54Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How many are “very few”? Can you show that more think that Obama is Antichrist than thought that Bush was? That would be difficult since conservatives tend to be much more religious than liberals. It’s very rare when I hear liberals citing Revelation. Or using scripture to support legislation. I think a more comparable example would be how many people compared Bush to Hitler or thought he would be like Hitler, and compare that to the Obama is the Anti Christ. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/109 "2013-08-13T17:31:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Hey, maybe we won’t agree but if I can’t make you agree at least I can make you laugh. I said that to my wife after the first time I broached the topic of sex. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/110 "2013-08-13T17:32:26Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [http://www.markswatson.com/bushac.htm](http://www.markswatson.com/bushac.htm) > [http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/305](http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/305) > [NameBright - Coming Soon](http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Religion&Spirituality/+Doc-Religion&Spirituality-ReligiousEvil&Strangeness/GeorgeWBushIsTheAntichrist.htm) > [Is George Bush The Antichrist?: Hanchett, R. Stephen, Hanchett, Stephen R.: 9781411609839: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Antichrist-Stephen-Hanchett/dp/1411609832) > [Pro- Kerry Catholic Website Says Bush is the “Antichrist” - LifeSite](http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2004/aug/04081202) > [http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020412.htm](http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020412.htm) > [http://isbushantichrist.blogspot.com/](http://isbushantichrist.blogspot.com/) > [WAGblog: George W Bush is the Antichrist!](http://www.schizophrenia.com/pam/archives/004569.html) > [http://whydidtheusinvadeiraq.com/?p=165](http://whydidtheusinvadeiraq.com/?p=165) > > just a quick sampling. I am sure there are a few hundred more at least. Oh, of course. But you could find that for **any** POTUS. It’s still “very few” on a national scale. [**One in five Republicans** believe Obama is the Antichrist.](http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/03/obama-antichrist-poll-republicans_n_3007207.html)[13% of Americans believe it.](http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/13-of-americans-believe-president-obama-is-the-antichrist-20130402) Thats a lot more than very few. Do you seriously think W ever measured **that** high on the Antichrist-meter? And the number of Republicans claiming Obama is a crypto-Muslim [has doubled since 2008.](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/poll-republicans-claiming-obama-is-muslim-doubled-since-2008/) And [64% of Pubs are **still** Birthers.](http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/17/1464151/64-percent-of-republicans-are-birthers-poll-finds/) Doesn’t all that make you ashamed of your party? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/111 "2013-08-13T17:34:36Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How many are “very few”? Can you show that more think that Obama is Antichrist than thought that Bush was? 1. I don’t think I used the term “very few”, so I don’t know what you are referencing. 2. You are the one that claimed that your cites showed people that claimed that Bush was the Anti-Christ, and I corrected that error, and now you want me to compile statistics to help you prove your point? Do your own homework…and you might want to actually check out the links you provide next time. schizophrenia.com-that was a real keeper. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/112 "2013-08-13T17:35:14Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Well honestly, you have to understand that we were at WAR then, and something like that would have been akin to treason :eek: Hi, **Sicks Ate**. Would you explain this sentence, please? Do it with little honest words, for the benefit of us simpletons. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/113 "2013-08-13T17:36:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Oh, of course. But you could find that for **any** POTUS. It’s still “very few” on a national scale. [**One in five Republicans** believe Obama is the Antichrist.](http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/03/obama-antichrist-poll-republicans_n_3007207.html) Good. Now show the same poll asking Democrats the same question about Bush. You know, to compare. > [@](#): > > Doesn’t all that make you ashamed of your party? I’d be ashamed if I was a Republican. I’d be ashamed if I was a Democrat. Am neither. ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gerald\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerald_II)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/114 "2013-08-13T17:36:49Z")
Not exactly, but kind of like the percentage of people who believed that Bush was in on 9/11 or knew it was going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/115 "2013-08-13T17:37:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. I don’t think I used the term “very few”, so I don’t know what you are referencing. You didn’t. The poster for whom I posted the links did. If you jump in at least you should bother to see the thread to which you’re responding. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/116 "2013-08-13T17:38:18Z")
> [@Gerald\_II](#): > > Not exactly, but kind of like the percentage of people who believed that Bush was in on 9/11 or knew it was going to happen. And that percentage was…? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/117 "2013-08-13T17:38:24Z")
Anyone really interested in how the ravings of a demented monk became Scripture should read Elaine Pagel’s _Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation_ Just happen to have the Amazon link here: > **[Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation: Pagels,...](https://www.amazon.com/Revelations-Visions-Prophecy-Politics-Revelation/dp/0143121634)** > > Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation \[Pagels, Elaine\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation Joe Bob \*\*'luc \*\*says “Check it out!”. Verily. ---
**Author:** ![Werekoala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7993a0/32.png) [@Werekoala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Werekoala)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/118 "2013-08-13T17:39:24Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Making fun of our elected officials is a cherished American tradition and the most important function of our right to free speech but pretending that this particular display is completely divorced from the centuries of racist violence against black people strains credulity. Well, ok - Obama is black. How do you make fun of him, mock him, parody him, lampoon him without being accused of racism? We know the answer to that one already, but just thought I’d throw it out there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/119 "2013-08-13T17:40:51Z")
True, that whole broomstick up the butt thing is more like Australian, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gerald\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerald_II)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077/120 "2013-08-13T17:41:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And that percentage was…? 50% according to this [site.](http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/More_than_half_of_Democrats_believed_Bush_knew.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-open-hatred-become-fun-family-entertainment/666077.md?page=7)