# When did Quartz become such a tool? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052 "2017-02-17T14:40:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/81 "2017-02-20T09:50:40Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I seem to remember a rather arrogant and ignorant former US President (thank god) who rudely poked his nose into the affairs of the UK, where he sided with the despicable and evil globalists in the EU. > > The citizens of the UK did not appreciate such rudeness and arrogance coming from a clueless outsider and they basically told him to bugger off, which was made clear when they voted to leave the hell hole known as the EU. Yes, I recall that, although your version of events is once again perpendicular to reality. One Mr Farage complained about Obama daring to suggest that the Leave campaign shouldn’t be making claims about what kind of trade deals America would give the UK post-Brexit - I mean, how dare the US President have a view on what the Leave campaign said US trade policy should be! Then after Our Nigel made a big song-and-dance about how foreign politicians shouldn’t get involved in domestic politics, he promptly went over to the US to get involved in the US election, once again demonstrating what a lying hypocritical asshole he is. Rudeness, arrogance and cluelessness abounds here, but not in Obama. > [@Quartz](#): > > Sorry, but I don’t like Trump. And yet, as I said, you don’t seem to have a problem carrying water for him on occasion. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/82 "2017-02-20T18:16:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, I recall that, although your version of events is once again perpendicular to reality. Actually, Obama’s intervention was indeed not well received, but [neither was Trump’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=794757). > [@](#): > > And yet, as I said, you don’t seem to have a problem carrying water for him on occasion. I don’t have a problem challenging some of the rubbish said about him. If you stop and think, I’m sure you’ll appreciate the difference. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/83 "2017-02-20T18:30:42Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I don’t have a problem challenging some of the rubbish said about him. If you stop and think, I’m sure you’ll appreciate the difference. It’s the lord’s work that you’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/84 "2017-02-20T18:39:54Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It’s the lord’s work that you’re doing. No, it’s **Cecil Adams** ’ work. You know, fighting ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/85 "2017-02-20T19:13:03Z")
Stick to things you know: Annoying sheep and falling down drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/86 "2017-02-21T09:16:21Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Actually, Obama’s intervention was indeed not well received, but [neither was Trump’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=794757). Yes, Obama’s intervention was not well received in a “How dare he point out that we’re making things up?” way. The Leave campaign got caught out making unsupportable assertions and reacted by blaming the messenger rather than, you know, refraining from making things up. > [@](#): > > I don’t have a problem challenging some of the rubbish said about him. If you stop and think, I’m sure you’ll appreciate the difference. I appreciate the difference. I’m not yet convinced you do. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/87 "2017-02-21T14:08:42Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Cause whenever I think FP, I think of this thread. Link is to the last page cause that’s when it got good > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=749752&page=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=749752&page=3) > > It wasn’t a particularly active thread and it happened a long time ago. But the gist was > > FP witnessed a well performed magic trick that stumped him. A couple of people that know magic tricks jump in to explain how it works. > But, no they’re wrong. Explanations continue and FP doubles down and triples down. > > It doesn’t matter that the trick involved a book and a word, and there is a popular magic trick that uses a trick book as a prop, and the trick involves getting someone to pick the exact same WORD that FP picked. > > And the thread just kind of trailed off into mutual frustration. I think FP still thinks this party entertainer really read his mind. > > All I can say is this astounded me and I thought , you know in a year or three this guy is going to show his mental rigidity and faulted though processes in another thread and if he gets all superior about it I’m going to remember this thread. I agree that that thread showed mental rigidity. Also, remarkable arrogance. On the part of you, and a couple of others who went with the same approach. That approach being “_I personally only know 2 or 3 ways that a certain magic trick can be done, therefore it must have been done one of those ways, and the details must therefore have been in accordance with one of those methods. And if the guy who the trick was actually done on, along with other witnesses, saw with their own eyes that something else happened, well that can’t be so, because after all, I don’t know any way it could have been done based on those details._” You’re not that smart. You don’t know that much. There are other people out there who can do things that you’ve not thought of. The fact that you can’t think of a way for a trick to have been done doesn’t mean it wasn’t done. This is something you would be well advised to learn and accept, not just in this instance but as a general rule. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/88 "2017-02-21T18:09:20Z")
Oh Dear, Still a lot of rancour after the Brexit vote, deary me. Like it or not, the decisions done - democracy means having the freedom to make decisions, good or bad. Same goes for the US …and your alternative to democracy, in all its imperfectness is? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/89 "2017-02-21T18:25:34Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, it’s **Cecil Adams** ’ work. You know, fighting ignorance. Maybe you should leave that one to people who are better suited for it. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/90 "2017-02-21T18:49:11Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, it’s **Cecil Adams** ’ work. You know, fighting ignorance. You’ve promoted far more ignorance on this site than you have ever combated. I can’t recall seeing you ever contribute much in the way of significant information here. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/91 "2017-02-21T22:35:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You’ve promoted far more ignorance on this site than you have ever combated. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/92 "2017-02-21T22:54:21Z")
**Quartz** is a longtime warrior for truth, and a Bronze Starfish recipient. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/93 "2017-02-21T23:01:40Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You’ve promoted far more ignorance on this site than you have ever combated. I can’t recall seeing you ever contribute much in the way of significant information here. You might try reading some of the computer-related and British-related threads. On reflection, you’re just behaving like a bigot who can’t stand people who think differently and dare to question the One True Democrat Way. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/94 "2017-02-22T02:01:29Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Oh, I wa all set to respond because I thought this said “fool”. Well, maybe someone that is overly convinced of their own correctness and lacking in critical thinking skills. > > Cause whenever I think FP, I think of this thread. Link is to the last page cause that’s when it got good > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=749752&page=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=749752&page=3) > > It wasn’t a particularly active thread and it happened a long time ago. But the gist was > > FP witnessed a well performed magic trick that stumped him. A couple of people that know magic tricks jump in to explain how it works. > But, no they’re wrong. Explanations continue and FP doubles down and triples down. > > It doesn’t matter that the trick involved a book and a word, and there is a popular magic trick that uses a trick book as a prop, and the trick involves getting someone to pick the exact same WORD that FP picked. > > And the thread just kind of trailed off into mutual frustration. I think FP still thinks this party entertainer really read his mind. > > All I can say is this astounded me and I thought , you know in a year or three this guy is going to show his mental rigidity and faulted though processes in another thread and if he gets all superior about it I’m going to remember this thread. Hokey smoke. I was the audience member that trick was used on at the Magic Castle a number of years ago. It took me like 5 seconds to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/95 "2017-02-22T02:19:28Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Trumpa Wumpa doompety doo > I’ve got a perfect puzzle for you > Oompa loompa doompety dee > If you are wise you’ll listen to me > > What do you get when you guzzle down left wing lies > Watching as much as a donkey spies > What are you at, getting terribly ignorant > What do you think will come of that > I don’t like the look of it Trump Wumpa doompety dillabyles Your efforts at musical satire clearly involve an excess number of syllables. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/96 "2017-02-22T06:12:58Z")
You can’t make tools out of quartz. The only uses for quartz are to give them as gifts, or to craft items such as sprinklers, lightning rods, crystal pathways, etc… …oh wait, sorry, thought this was the Stardew Valley reddit. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/97 "2017-02-22T07:22:32Z")
Here’s a challenge for **Colibri** and **Gyrate** : find one - just one - thread in which I have defended Trump against a justified charge. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/98 "2017-02-22T08:04:01Z")
Frankly, I’m deeply concerned that not hating Trump sufficiently (or even - gasp - at all) is grounds for accusations of being a troll or a tool now. This is not a productive situation. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/99 "2017-02-22T08:31:26Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Here’s a challenge for **Colibri** and **Gyrate** : find one - just one - thread in which I have defended Trump against a justified charge. I remember a thread where people were discussing Trump’s poorly rolled out immigration executive order that also hasn’t done too well in court. A poster came along and defended Trump’s ill-conceived actions with a ridiculous hypothetical in which Trump might have been completely justified if he was trying to “zap” terrorists and had secret reasons for doing it this way. > [@Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/501): > > A thought for you all: > > Suppose the intelligence services told Trump that there was a specific imminent terrorist threat by X, Y, and Z. However, to ban them specifically would tip them off to America’s sources of information or get them to engage other actors in their stead or both. Fortunately, there’s a previous Executive Order - signed by Obama, even - which could be extended and give the US time to zap the terrorists. > > Hmm… ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052/100 "2017-02-22T09:04:32Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I remember a thread where people were discussing Trump’s poorly rolled out immigration executive order that also hasn’t done too well in court. Really? One court has stopped it; it’s still trundling its way through your legal system. And the hypothetical was not a defence but a hypothetical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-quartz-become-such-a-tool/780052.md?page=6)