# When did The Andy Griffith Show become "morally questionable"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117 "2005-10-06T23:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/41 "2005-10-08T23:11:15Z")
[quote=Snooooopy Well, the Wikipedia’s founder has told Hackwrench to change his ways, so being blocked seems like a definite possibility if the nonsense continues.[/quote] That was actually **Kolak** quoting Jimbo, from the NPOV page. The poor bastard is so deranged that he’s able to read the guidelines for neutral POV and still think that he’s _adding_ neutrality. He sincerely believes that a good encyclopaedia entry should include every extant subjective opinion on its subject, and doesn’t see why this isn’t a desirable quality for an encyclopaedia article. He says it’s up to other people to put their own POV in to maintain neutrality, and that without his contribution, the article doesn’t have a neutral point of view. (!) If he wants to clutter up articles on light entertainment with bulky, incoherant ramblings about subjective morality, I can only imagine how concise and useful the entry for something like beef would be: 3% useful information about nutrition, different cuts of beef, history of cattle farming – and then pages and pages of “Meat is murder!” “No, hamburgers are yummy!” “The only way to prepare steak is medium well.” “A well-done steak is safer and tastier.” “Beef production contributes to the greenhouse effect!” “Anybody who doesn’t eat meat is a sissy.” “Kobe beef is over-rated and gross.” “It’s fun and liberating to wear clothing fashioned from beef.” “There are drugs in beef that give nine-year-old girls boobies.” Every Wiki article would pretty much resemble a usenet thread. Joy! ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/42 "2005-10-08T23:34:48Z")
[This website](http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm) shows some of the interesting things found on Wikipedia by one individual. Fun read. It’s a blog, so it’s often update. The thing **astro** pointed out isn’t surprising: most sitcoms have some scenes edited out in syndication for purposes of selling more ads. _Simpsons_ fans notice this the most. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/43 "2005-10-09T02:40:44Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > The poor bastard is so deranged that he’s able to read the guidelines for neutral POV and still think that he’s _adding_ neutrality. This really is the remarkable part of it isn’t it? I’m becoming convinced this must be some stoned kid whose mission in life is to write politcally correct readings of 1960’s sitcoms. Can you imagine what he could do with Green Acres? ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2005, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/44 "2005-10-09T10:51:55Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Maybe the fact that the show had no African-Americans on it–this in NC in the '60’s (hell, in NC, EVER) has something to do with the moral reprehensibility. I grew up in China Grove, NC which is about an hour north of Charlotte, so it’s in vaguely the same area as Mt. Airy. When I lived in the last house in town, way out in the Boonies, I saw all of three black people. All three were at my elementary school and two of them were teachers. When we moved in town, the racial mix increased to about, oh 5% black to 95% white. So I can believe the general lack of blacks on the show to a point. Of course, this comes from someone who’s never seen an entire episode of the show (Should I turn in my NC citizenship for that?), so take with a grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/45 "2005-10-09T13:40:34Z")
**When did The Andy Griffith Show become “morally questionable”?** It was when Opie and his friends discover the joys of mutual masturbation. They don’t re-run that episode much. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/46 "2005-10-09T22:00:02Z")
I suppose I should simply let this edit war over at Wikipedia die. It looks like some of the more regular Wiki-editors have noticed what that goof keeps doing to the page so I should probably just leave it up to them to deal with. I did make one last attempt to alter the entry in a way that I hope would the nutcase would find acceptable. I don’t have much hope for it though and I still don’t think some of the issues addressed are really relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/47 "2005-10-09T22:15:03Z")
> [@Kolak of Twilo](#): > > I suppose I should simply let this edit war over at Wikipedia die. It looks like some of the more regular Wiki-editors have noticed what that goof keeps doing to the page so I should probably just leave it up to them to deal with. I did make one last attempt to alter the entry in a way that I hope would the nutcase would find acceptable. I don’t have much hope for it though and I still don’t think some of the issues addressed are really relevant. When you argue with a crazy person, the best possible outcome is that you end up winning an argument with a crazy person. But it is neither the most likely outcome, nor is it a significantly prestigious outcome even if you do happen to achieve it. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/48 "2005-10-09T22:32:41Z")
Point taken and appreciated, **Qadgop**. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117/49 "2005-10-28T19:03:52Z")
I’m resurrecting this semi-moribund thread to commend **Larry Mudd** , who’s been continuing the good fight against the Wikimaniac **Hackwrench**. The Wikipedia [discussion page](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Andy_Griffith_Show) (read, but don’t post unless you have something significant to add) shows a rather fascinating trainwreck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-andy-griffith-show-become-morally-questionable/325117.md?page=2)